Bible-beater pilots

"Robert Perkins" wrote in message


Fights and wars have broken out over
things other than religion, and no society goes to war for that reason
alone. It's too much work!

I don't know. If a modern (albeit minor) war could be waged over a soccer
match, I'm thinking that religion would be a far more serious matter in
societies of centuries ago.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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Robert Perkins wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:54:32 GMT, "Lenny Toulson"
wrote:

Tell me again how many people have died in wars based on nothing but
religion?

People have died in wars based on nothing but human avarice, with
religion as the dressing to break down a person's natural inclination
not to kill for the first time.

If what you're saying is true, then religion is obviously a harmful tool in
the hands of the greedy. Let's disarm them.

- Andrew

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Ian wrote:

Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do?

All you had to do was get up and leave instead of agonizing over the
politeness of how to exit. Nobody forced you to sit there and listen to it.

It's clear you and your family have no moral guidance.
snip a whole lot more religious drivel

Lack of religious conviction != lack of morals.

The arrogant assuption that having religion equals having morals can be
refuted just by accessing any news source or history book. For example,
it's likely that whoever just carbombed Istanbul had plenty of religion -
but they didn't have an iota of morals.

Likewise those good "Christian" knights in the First Crusade who
slaughtered most of the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Lots of religion, no
morals.

Some of us use adult, rational thought to arrive at a moral framework,
instead of selected mistranslated passages from a book of tribal
mythology.

Feel free to continue denying God,

Thank you, I shall. I stopped really believing in fairy tales when I was
eight or so, after all. None of you folks have any proof for your claims,
that I've seen.

It's especially hard for smart, successful people like yourself to believe
that they need Jesus because it makes them accept the fact that they are
inadequate and incomplete without Him. Well get used to that concept.

Some of us do quite nicely without Jesus, or any other invisible friend.
There is no "concept" that I or anyone else needs to "get used to", sir.

Right... I was going to post something mildly amusing about Jay's
unfortunate encounter, but this twit pushed several of my buttons at
once...

An athiest has no invisible means of support. (Actually, I consider myself
an agnostic. Religion might be correct, but some actual proof would be
nice to see...)

Irritated,

Brian.

At first, Ian, I truly thought your post was a marvelous, well-spun parody
of what I lived through at the casino.

Sadly, I must conclude that you are sincere. I know this is going down an
off-topic sink hole, but I would be interested to hear another pilot (I
assume you are a pilot, if you're here?) give a cogent, logical,
scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs.

Is that possible?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Ian" wrote in message
...
Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do?

All you had to do was get up and leave instead of agonizing over the
politeness of how to exit. Nobody forced you to sit there and listen to
it.

It's clear you and your family have no moral guidance. I can see how
being
raised a Catholic has got you out of tune with God, that's pretty common.
Sure, faith is a personal thing, but we're also commanded to spread the
good
news. Tell others. That's what they were doing. You make it sound like
you were trapped because it makes them sound evil and you appear a victim
and we'll feel sorry for you. It's real funny to laugh at the apparent
hypocrites who want to tell you something important while sitting in a
casino. Well they are as imperfect as the rest of us. Who knows - maybe
they go to the casino just to evangelize because they know there are
people
there like you who need to hear it. It's the message that's important,
not
the person delivering it. Your rejection of the message does not diminish
its truth. Feel free to continue denying God, it is obviously your
choice.
It is your unalienable right in this great country to have whatever
religion
you want, including none at all. When you're standing at the final
judgement you're going to feel pretty silly remembering how you should
have
listened, believed, acted, and provided some leadership to your family in
this most important area of their lives. Are you going to teach your
children about Jesus or let them wander in apathy ? So far, you are lost.
If you think your own inner self, your conscience, your innate sense of
right and wrong should be your guide, if you think its enough just to be a
good person, then you've got it all backwards.

Your prolific newsgroup posting over the last several years now has
provided
some interesting insight into your personality. We know what you look
like,
where you live, what you like to do, where you like to go, how you earn a
living. Isn't it time you quit worshipping the Pathfinder parked out back
and sought out some real meaning to why you're here ? Some real guidance
in
your life ? Pick up the Bible and take another look. That's the real
POH.
It's especially hard for smart, successful people like yourself to believe
that they need Jesus because it makes them accept the fact that they are
inadequate and incomplete without Him. Well get used to that concept.
From
the janitor to the CEO and from the gambler to the hotel owner, that is
exactly what we all need. The only difference is in how long it takes
each
of us to figure it out and make the single most important decision your
entire life. To accept Jesus or reject him. It's just between you and
Him,
nobody else. What is it going to be ?

Jay,

scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs.

Is that possible?


Uh, no. Look at that sentence above again. It's a contradiction. By
definition, there is nothing scientific about beliefs. That's why they
are beliefs, not knowledge.

If you look at the big question of Life, the Universe and Everything
scientifically, at some point you'll have to live with the answer: "I
don't know." Many people are terribly afraid of that (possibly a
variant of "Nature abhors vacuum" ;-)). So they make something up.
That's called religion. Others then exploit that and use it to exert
power over their fellow humans. That's called a church or a religious
community. This simple explanation works for all religions I know of.

Of course, if indeed I should end up standing in front of St. Peter or
Jesus on Judgement Day, it will be a major "Oops"-moment. ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Of course, if indeed I should end up standing in front of St. Peter or
Jesus on Judgement Day, it will be a major "Oops"-moment. ;-)

Of course, would a good God condemn you to eternal damnation for making a
75-year mistake?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I've long equated Religion with Mathematics. Each begins with a
hypothesis that cannot be proved or disproved, and everything builds
on that assumption.

Thomas Borchert wrote in
:

Of course, if indeed I should end up standing in front of St. Peter or
Jesus on Judgement Day, it will be a major "Oops"-moment. ;-)

Nah - you have nothing to worry about... I have it on good authority that
the Jews were right anyway.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news7pvb.267219$Fm2.280642@attbi_s04...

Sadly, I must conclude that you are sincere. I know this is going down an
off-topic sink hole, but I would be interested to hear another pilot (I
assume you are a pilot, if you're here?) give a cogent, logical,
scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs.



Oh boy is this one going to run and run...
What's the betting we'll get more posts than the
JFK thread??

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("Tony Cox" wrote)
Oh boy is this one going to run and run...
What's the betting we'll get more posts than the
JFK thread??