currency question

Why would you want to? Part of doing approaches is working
within the existing system. Which, in my opinion is more challenging
than the flying part.


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Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

-- dave j



61.57(c)(1):

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this
section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather
conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the
preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft
(other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated
instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of
aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator
or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft
category for the instrument privileges sought-

(i) At least six instrument approaches;

(ii) Holding procedures; and

(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

Look at it this way. The question of your currency will only come up
when you are involved in an accident. How do you think your insurance
company or FAA will react when they see these made-up approaches in your
logbook? Even if they are not illegal, they can nail you on not using
proper procedures and cite them as reckless conduct.

Made-up approaches are fine to build proficiency, but don't count those
towards your currency.







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Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having
to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

-- dave j



61.57(c)(1):

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
this
section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather
conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within
the
preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft
(other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated
instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of
aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator
or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft
category for the instrument privileges sought-

(i) At least six instrument approaches;

(ii) Holding procedures; and

(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Look at it this way. The question of your currency will only come up
when you are involved in an accident.

Or you bust some other reg or otherwise come to the FAA's attention.
Then they'll dig for anything they can smack you with.

Why would you want to [make up an approach]?

because sometimes it's hard to get an actual practice approach to
minimums. This is especially true of ILSs at busy airports in the
NorthEast (though I'll admit the nature of an ILS precludes a made-up one).

Jose
--
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Ross Oliver wrote:

The disadvantage is you must use a CFI, not just a safety pilot.



I believe you may also use an IGI (instrument ground instructor) in a
sim in lieu of a CFI. CFI's cost more !

Antonio

"dancingstarcreations" wrote
in message ...

I believe you may also use an IGI (instrument ground instructor) in a sim
in lieu of a CFI. CFI's cost more !


So IGI's make...oh what, about $2.00 an hour?

andrew m. boardman wrote:
wrote:

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?


Legitimately, I don't think so. Despite that, made-up NDB approaches
based on a local commercial transmitter have turned up on local
instrument checkrides, and a Cape TRACON controller once told me of
getting grief from management for inventing a VOR approach into
Provicetown for pilots who wanted practice VOR approaches in the area,
Cape Cod only having one VOR approach, and that at the other end of it in
a busy bit of airspace.

Funny about using AM radio stations as NDBs. That's why the CONELRAD
alert system was invented -- to thwart the evil enemies' navigation! Of
course, NDBs are going away but we still fund improvement to the
Emergency Alert System. So why can't they be used to log approaches?

Stubby wrote:

Funny about using AM radio stations as NDBs. That's why the CONELRAD
alert system was invented -- to thwart the evil enemies' navigation! Of
course, NDBs are going away but we still fund improvement to the
Emergency Alert System. So why can't they be used to log approaches?


Conelrad hasn't been around since the Kennedy administration.
The EBS (which was never voluntary despite what the stupid announcement
that we were forced to read over the air) replaced it. Rather than
people popping up on 640 or 1240.

Anyhow, I've had the ADF ripped out of my plane. I replaced it
with XM Satellite radio so I can still listen to baseball games
in flight.

dancingstarcreations wrote
in :

Ross Oliver wrote:
I believe you may also use an IGI (instrument ground instructor) in a
sim in lieu of a CFI. CFI's cost more !

Not true. I'm both IGI and CFII. Currency or other required training, if
done in a sim, requires the CFII endorsement. IGI won't do it.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:14:20 GMT, "L. R. Du Broff"
wrote:

dancingstarcreations wrote
in :

Ross Oliver wrote:
I believe you may also use an IGI (instrument ground instructor) in a
sim in lieu of a CFI. CFI's cost more !

Not true. I'm both IGI and CFII. Currency or other required training, if
done in a sim, requires the CFII endorsement. IGI won't do it.


An IGI MAY provide the training and sign off the requirements of
currency for 61.57 (c) in a simulator or approved training device. He
may not, however, sign off an IPC, although he may provide the
training required for an IPC. Sim and training device training is
considered ground training. FAR 61.215 (c)