IFR in the Eastern Mountains

Ron Lee wrote:
"Peter R." wrote:


Kobra wrote:


Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.

Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.


I prefer "This is where a serious mistake can get you killed....so
treat it with the respect it deserves."

I like that better, too. Apparently the majority think Collins' words
are just fine. I'm with kobra, and I'll avoid that DVD. My wife has
enough aerophobia as it is, without her stumbling on something like that.

Dave

Jim Macklin wrote:
Before showing BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR or DEBBIE DOES DALLAS
to your wife, mother-in-law and the children, you preview
them privately.

If you get a travelogue, show your wife. If you get a
training video, it is for PILOTS and not their spouse.

My thoughts exactly. The OP erred by not screening the DVD before
showing it to non-pilots. Collins generally writes and presents to
pilots, not to the general public. I think his statements are very
appropriate for the intended audience.


Matt

Kobra wrote:

As others state, why did you share it in the first place?


My wife loves flying with me and she sees a trip in the airplane as a major
treat. We have flown together everywhere from Maine to the Bahamas. She is
also going to start lessons this Spring and she began the Cleared for
Takeoff CD ground school course.

Whenever I buy a training DVD, as dry as they can be, she is excited to
watch them with me. I am lucky this way. But my only point to Mr. Collins
is that if you are going to immortalize your words on mass media about an
important subject near and dear, for God's sake, MAKE YOUR POINT, BUT CHOOSE
YOUR WORDS WITH SOME FORETHOUGHT.

Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.

Don't get me wrong...I do like and respect Mr. Collins. I have most of his
videos, I read his articles in Flying Magazine and I admire him as an
aviator. I just think he needs to sand and polish some of his writings
before he commits them to permanency.

I disagree. Flying IFR in IMC in the mountains in the east is serious
business and shouldn't be sugar coated. As they say, if you can't take
the heat...


Matt

Kobra wrote:

Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.


Exactly! That would have made the point, added humor and not been abrasive.

You are just too thin-skinned. Flying in that terrain and those
conditions isn't for the timid. Buck up!

Matt

Look at this Kobra:

http://tinyurl.com/y78c8s

Note that it is clear and visibility is 50+ miles.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
Look at this Kobra:

http://tinyurl.com/y78c8s

Note that it is clear and visibility is 50+ miles.


Where is it?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Looks like a couple of places in Western Montana...Paradise Valley or
Bozeman??
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Ron Lee wrote:
Look at this Kobra:

http://tinyurl.com/y78c8s

Note that it is clear and visibility is 50+ miles.


Where is it?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Jose" wrote in message
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Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
snip

"Do this and you will probably die" is sometimes called for.

Jose
--
And always remember............

You can't get laid if you're dead!

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

You can be laid to rest.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
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| "Jose" wrote in message
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| Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say,
....*ONE LITTLE
| snip
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| "Do this and you will probably die" is sometimes called
for.
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| Jose
| --
| And always remember............
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| You can't get laid if you're dead!
|
| Karl
| "Curator" N185KG
|
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: I disagree. Flying IFR in IMC in the mountains in the east is serious
: business and shouldn't be sugar coated. As they say, if you can't take
: the heat...

Absolutely. With MEAs over WV around 6000', that pretty much rules out all
but thin stratus into VFR-on-top IFR days from October through April.

The mountain wave and turbulence should also not be underestimated. I've been
in VFR over BKW (Beckly, WV... only about 50 miles from my home base). I hit a layer
of IMC at about 6000', but there was plenty of VMC below. I got a clearance for
"practice." Within 10 minutes, my groundspeed went from about 100 kts to 55 kts, and
I was getting +-500fpm no matter what power settings I tried to use. At one point I
was in clear VMC and plenty of room below so I cancelled and flew the last 20 miles
VFR in 2500' ceilings.

VFR in only more dangerous in the "average" sense that a lot of the clear
weather might be associated with highs and gusty winds. IMC can also have ugly winds,
and the sink associated with the ridges can make a mess of you too.

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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