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Old December 12th 11, 04:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Paul T[_4_]
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Default Best Club class glider

Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

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Old December 12th 11, 06:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JS
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Default Best Club class glider

From my little experience at club class competitions, the pilot seems
to have a lot to do with it...
Most on your list have done well.
Coincidentally, there's an SZD55 for sale in the previous RAS post to
yours, close enough to drive home. They're a very good club class
ship.
Jim
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Old December 12th 11, 06:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
kirk.stant
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Default Best Club class glider

On Dec 12, 10:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.


It's the one with the nicest trailer and best finish, in that order.

Seriously.

The whole point of handicapped racing is to equalize the gliders. Any
glider that suddenly starts winning every race is going to get a new
handicap - and will probably end up at the bottom of the list for a
while.

More important to get a nice glider that you will enjoy flying, IMHO.

Then race the bejeezus out of it!!!

Cheers,

Kirk
66
(grumpily getting beaten by LS1s in his LS6 in the US Club Class)
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Old December 12th 11, 06:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Steve Leonard[_2_]
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Default Best Club class glider

Keep in mind what Kirk said about what you want. It has to be in a
good trailer, and a ship you enjoy flying. That is by far teh most
important thing, as most of your flying will not likely be done in
competition. Now, for the competing part. I would not recommend
getting the highest performing ship allowed. Why? A slightly lesser
performing ship can follow you and you will lose on handicap. Don't
get the bottom end and try to win based on handicap. There will be
days when you can't get home and the others do. Your handicap will
never make up that loss.

Find a ship you like in the 70-80% up through the allowed performance
range. Seal it, put in good instruments, and fly. Not just weekend
fun flying, flag pole sitting stuff. If you are serious on competing,
fly like you are competing. Every day. Has been taking me half a
bloody contest to get out of "relaxed" flying mode and get into more
serious racing mode. I am still relaxed and having fun, but being a
bit more selective. My daily scores tend to show this.

Steve Leonard
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Old December 12th 11, 08:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
David Reitter
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Default Best Club class glider

On Dec 12, 11:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular,


I was in the same place about a year ago, and considered, in addition
to some of the gliders you mention, a Mini Nimbus and a Mosquito.
They'll give you both fantastic value if you can find one that is in
shape, in your price range. (I also considered the ASW20, but you're
likely to spend a little more on.)

I second what was said about trailers; I may add that your choices may
be limited by what will be available within your driving range.

Be aware of the lifetime limits on the Pegase. You don't list it, but
if you're considering an Astir, there's an expensive AD out on it.

As for Std Cirrus - the newer ones (75) have a slightly different
washout, improving its stall characteristics. The original one has an
all-moving tailplane. CG hook only - issue on aerotows - turned out
OK for me, but less than ideal for some. I would be more concerned
with its finish, the panel that comes with it (new instruments are
valuable, but some may be expensive and of little use to you). I
ended up buying a Std Cirrus locally, and fixing up the trailer, panel
and the cockpit during the spring.
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Old December 12th 11, 08:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I would get the Standard Cirrus.

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Old December 12th 11, 08:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tony[_5_]
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*Don't
get the bottom end and try to win based on handicap. *There will be
days when you can't get home and the others do. *Your handicap will
never make up that loss.


Oh damn there goes my plan to take the 2-22 racing next year

If I had a club class glider of any type listed it would probably take
a long time to wipe the grin off my face.

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Old December 12th 11, 11:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tim Mara
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if you could buy a good one in your budget I'd go for the Hornet above all
the rest!
I've owned a mess of gliders......lost count, and have flown everything on
your list in one form or another and none on the list come close to the
Hornet in pure joy to fly "and own"......I've in fact owned every Hornet "C"
in the USA (there were unfortunately one 2 of these ever in the US) ) and
have one to this day!.....It may not have the blazing performance of later
gliders but with the light wings, super powerful and easy to use dive
brakes, large roomy and fully adjustable cockpit, automatic hook-ups of
everything, forward hinged canopy and yes.Glasflugel innovation and handling
it's just hands down the best ship to own and more than just competitive
with everything on your list plus you just don't have to think about flying
the glider.it's simply automatic and fly's like you think.....just point and
shoot!
good luck
Tim
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Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.


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Old December 13th 11, 01:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Best Club class glider

On Dec 12, 5:34*pm, "Tim Mara" wrote:
if you could buy a good one in your budget I'd go for the Hornet above all
the rest!
I've owned a mess of gliders......lost count, and have flown everything on
your list in one form or another and none on the list come close to the
Hornet in pure joy to fly "and own"......I've in fact owned every Hornet "C"
in the USA (there were unfortunately one 2 of these ever in the US) ) and
have one to this day!.....It may not have the blazing performance of later
gliders but with the light wings, super powerful and easy to use dive
brakes, large roomy and fully adjustable cockpit, automatic hook-ups of
everything, forward hinged canopy and yes.Glasflugel innovation and handling
it's just hands down the best ship to own and more than just competitive
with everything on your list plus you just don't have to think about flying
the glider.it's simply automatic and fly's like you think.....just point and
shoot!
good luck
Tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

"Paul T" wrote in message

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Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-


Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?


ASW19/19B


ASW15B


LSIF


DG100/101


Std Jantar 2/3


Glasflugel Std Libelle


Glasflugel Hornet


Pegase


I'll have about £15k max to spend.


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I would go with a glider that is easy to rig. Auto control hook ups
are a real plus. The early model Std Circus is IMHO pretty complex to
rig. I enjoyed my Standard Libelle. Do not forget about
ventilation. Most gliders do not have enough ventilation.


Bill Snead
6W

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Old December 13th 11, 04:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
jim wynhoff
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Default Best Club class glider

On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.


Re-lighting a fire.... I would avoid an LS anything, or a DG anything.
Both for the same reason, though the airframes are fine. Like many, I
recommend a good trailer, good finish, and ease of assembly.
Ruggedness is also a plus.
 




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