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used r-22 worth it?
rotor-heads,
I'm a private pilot with about 100 hrs fixed wing, and about 15 hrs in the R-22 years ago. Sometimes I think about finishing that helicopter add-on that I started and maybe build a significant number of hours. I've seen used R-22s, within 300 hrs of refurbishment selling for 40-50k. Assuming I bought one of these and put 300 hours on it without destroying it or getting myself killed, how much could I sell the hulk back to robinson for refurbishment? And when you factor in maintenance, hangar fees, and insurance are you better off just paying the rental rate at a school, which approaches $200/hr from what I've seen? Also these little guys don't have much rotor inertia, and you have like one second to drop the collective or die in the event of a power failure, right? In the Army (I was not an aviator, just a cadet at CTLT) I remember seeing a pilot momentarily moving his left hand to the cyclic so he could take notes on his knee-board with his right. That would probably not be advisable in an r-22. Thanks, Dave |
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used r-22 worth it?
Dave
Nothing wrong with your idea as long as the machine you buy still had decent component life in it, and hadn't been wrecked or something. If you can afford it, I'd say do it. You can always rent it for a little less than the local going rate and even make a few dollars with it before you sell it again as run-out. In any event, it will prove to be much cheaper than renting someone elses and you'll recover much, if not ALL your money for the training costs. Make sure you get a GOOD pre-purchase inspection by a mech (A&P) who is familiar with the R-22. Do some more homework to make sure the numbers pencil out for you. I know of a few guys who haqve done what you propose and were happy with the outcome. Nothing wrong with the R-22 as a trainer or for time building. Make damned sure you don't fly it outside its design envelope and its perfectly fine. The horrible reputation has come from those who tried to do test flights with it (read that as pilots who got outside the published recommendations and simply blew it). I don't much care for them personally and honestly only have about 25 hours or so in them for an instrument rating, and an instrument insructor rating. Most of my 9000+ hours of helicopters is in larger working machines so I am admitedly jaded. Make the same kind of post over in JustHelicopters in the alternate forum and you'll get some positive response. Avoid the "original" forum until you get it figured out and realize that is a free for all with a lot of jerks. See you there Rocky wrote: rotor-heads, I'm a private pilot with about 100 hrs fixed wing, and about 15 hrs in the R-22 years ago. Sometimes I think about finishing that helicopter add-on that I started and maybe build a significant number of hours. I've seen used R-22s, within 300 hrs of refurbishment selling for 40-50k. Assuming I bought one of these and put 300 hours on it without destroying it or getting myself killed, how much could I sell the hulk back to robinson for refurbishment? And when you factor in maintenance, hangar fees, and insurance are you better off just paying the rental rate at a school, which approaches $200/hr from what I've seen? Also these little guys don't have much rotor inertia, and you have like one second to drop the collective or die in the event of a power failure, right? In the Army (I was not an aviator, just a cadet at CTLT) I remember seeing a pilot momentarily moving his left hand to the cyclic so he could take notes on his knee-board with his right. That would probably not be advisable in an r-22. Thanks, Dave |
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used r-22 worth it?
Ol Shy & Bashful wrote: Dave Nothing wrong with your idea as long as the machine you buy still had decent component life in it, and hadn't been wrecked or something. If you can afford it, I'd say do it. You can always rent it for a little less than the local going rate and even make a few dollars with it before you sell it again as run-out. In any event, it will prove to be much cheaper than renting someone elses and you'll recover much, if not ALL your money for the training costs. Make sure you get a GOOD pre-purchase inspection by a mech (A&P) who is familiar with the R-22. Do some more homework to make sure the numbers pencil out for you. I know of a few guys who haqve done what you propose and were happy with the outcome. Nothing wrong with the R-22 as a trainer or for time building. Make damned sure you don't fly it outside its design envelope and its perfectly fine. The horrible reputation has come from those who tried to do test flights with it (read that as pilots who got outside the published recommendations and simply blew it). I don't much care for them personally and honestly only have about 25 hours or so in them for an instrument rating, and an instrument insructor rating. Most of my 9000+ hours of helicopters is in larger working machines so I am admitedly jaded. Make the same kind of post over in JustHelicopters in the alternate forum and you'll get some positive response. Avoid the "original" forum until you get it figured out and realize that is a free for all with a lot of jerks. See you there Rocky wrote: rotor-heads, I'm a private pilot with about 100 hrs fixed wing, and about 15 hrs in the R-22 years ago. Sometimes I think about finishing that helicopter add-on that I started and maybe build a significant number of hours. I've seen used R-22s, within 300 hrs of refurbishment selling for 40-50k. Assuming I bought one of these and put 300 hours on it without destroying it or getting myself killed, how much could I sell the hulk back to robinson for refurbishment? And when you factor in maintenance, hangar fees, and insurance are you better off just paying the rental rate at a school, which approaches $200/hr from what I've seen? Also these little guys don't have much rotor inertia, and you have like one second to drop the collective or die in the event of a power failure, right? In the Army (I was not an aviator, just a cadet at CTLT) I remember seeing a pilot momentarily moving his left hand to the cyclic so he could take notes on his knee-board with his right. That would probably not be advisable in an r-22. Thanks, Dave If you can afford to train and hour build then by definition you can afford to buy the r22, use it up and sell it. It's just a matter of amortizing the capital cost less resale price over the period of use - assuming that is cheaper than hiring the flight school chopper, that is. Why not buy into a shared ownership syndicate? That way you split all the costs - insurance, hangar etc. |
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