Leaving the community

Mike Rapoport wrote:

In two years there will be
another election for the house and some senate seats which will preclude the
republicans from doing anything to wild.

NPR said today that Bush made a remark about quacking after that election.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"David Brooks" wrote:
That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can
no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority,
I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home,
into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a
better
pilot.

Aww take it easy, David. I'm appalled that my fellow citizens would
re-elect Bush but, still, some of my best friends are Republicans.
Hell, my business partner is just a hair to the right of Gengis Khan.

Sometimes the hyperbole gets a little too far over the top -- C J is
certainly a prime practitioner of the art -- but don't let it a little
obnoxious bluster run you off.

We can't give up on the idea that America is a nation where people
respect and love one another in spite of diverse political views. If we
do that we are truly lost.

--
Dan

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
- Chief Inspector Dreyfus

Ya know. I think David actually left. Not a bad troll through muddy waters
however.

IMO the election was a contest between the people pulling the wagon and the
people riding in the wagon. Luckily 51% of the people were pulling the wagon
so it will probably keep moving (perfect wagon with no losses to friction
etc.). Once 51% or greater are riding in the wagon then it will only move
downhill.

Howard


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Matt Whiting wrote:



I'm thinking of moving to a state like yours (SD, right?).

Montana. The democrats here couldn't get elected as republicans in
Pennsylvania. They'd be too far to the right.


I've lived
in PA all my life, but it is becoming such a liberal cesspool that I may
have to retire elsewehere.

A Wyoming address would be good and even more conservative than here.
No taxes.

Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter). Just because one doesn't support ownership of AK-47's and
public access to armor-piercing bullets doesn't make one an enemy to gun
ownership. In fact, his record as a senator reveals that he has
consistently supported appropriate gun ownership. I own two shotguns and a
couple of rifles - don't hunt, but skeet and target shoot. Even still, I
just don't think the average citizen needs armor-piercing bullets or AK-47's
(unless you live in remote parts of Alaska grin)/.

?, gay marriage

He stated he was against 'gay marriage' - but in favor of civil unions that
allowed long-time gay couples the right to visit their partner in the
hospital, claims to benefits, etc. This is something that I would think any
reasonable person would think a long-time couple would be entitled to
(regardless of the sexual orientation. You know the funny thing about this
kind of bigotry is that it reminds me of what we would hear in the 60's
"Can't let 'coloreds' have any rights and god-forbid they should be allowed
to marry white-folk". Jeesh,,, doesn't anyone EVER learn from the lessons
of the past.

When are we going to remember the line about 'separation of church and
state'. The gay population has become the new 'coloreds' - get over your
bigotry. Live and let live. A gay couple in a civil union or marriage,,,,
whatever,,,, is no threat to my marriage. In the end it is just about two
consenting adults that care about one another and recognizing that they have
pledged to spend the rest of their lives together - that sounds pretty cool
to me. Of course the ignorant 'religious right' will refer to the Bible,
citing that quote regarding the men of Sodom. I will ask these same people
if they have ever done anything wrong with their hand, or sinned by looking
at something and point out if they haven't cut off that hand or plucked out
that eye they have already violated more than a few of the directives in the
Bible. and GASP what if your women don't keep their heads covered (as
mentioned in both the Old testament AND in the NEW Testament in some of the
books of the New Testament written by Paul). Don't even get me started on
the absurd Adam and Eve story which (if you are ignorant enough to buy into
the account) makes it necessary for all their progeny to commit incest in
order to procreate - of course that would partly explain why some people
seem to have a 'birth defect' in their unreasoned thinking. grin

Regarding the 'gay marriage' issue,,, we need to develop policy based on
fairness and reason, not on some quaint historical book with a cross on it.
Jeesh,,, we might as well just worship rocks and pray to salamanders for all
the similar good it would do. Visit a children's hospital (I have and it
will break your heart),,, the children live and die the same whether they
pray to a 'god' or speak to hamsters... and personally, if there were a
divine being, I can't possibly think of a prayer more worthy of being
granted than the prayer of some dear 4 year old in a cancer ward, just
asking to see their next birthday, hardly ever seems to be 'granted' though.
Of course the 'beauty' of any superstition is that you can go on to make
excuses why it doesn't seem to work all the time, but it is still
superstition; borne from stories of magic, evil and good spirits.
Superstition is great to study, but makes a poor ruler to measure political
policy by and make legislative policy. Let's get out of the dark ages.

, taxes

Good point,,, you're right Kerry was clearly against tax breaks for the
wealthy, the group that Bush was caught referring to during a private dinner
that was videotaped and to whom he referred to as "My own people" ---- Got
that right, W. Thank goodness there was someone looking out for the common
man (and still is,,,, as a Senator) as John Kerry.

, the UN.

YIKES! Please tell me that you have most of your teeth and that you don't
play 'Dueling Banjos' along some remote bayou? The United Nations is
LEFTIST? Do you even know the history and original purpose of the United
Nations? Read a book! What was wrong with having a consensus (and some
help) before blundering into Vietnam... OOPS I mean Iraq? Were we under
attack,,,, NO,,,,, I seem to recall Afghanistan had posed that threat but we
never finished trying to get HIM.

You may not agree but they are.

Well, YOU would know.... After all we 'know' that God is on our
side......... ooops... that's the same thinking of Bin Laden uses

jeesh

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Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

Oh, so know disagreeing with you means one is ignorant rather than a
puppet. You are starting to sound like Kerry.

Unfortunately Kerry never said that. But, yes,,, one is truly ignorant, if
they mindlessly espouse the words and ideas of others without ever having
challenged those ideas, themselves.

Every thing you wrote was, literally, the same campaign rhetoric we have
heard from Bush.... The Kerry account is absurd,,, I spoke, at length, with
one of the individuals who served under Kerry. How you could defend a draft
dodger, like Bush; cowardly clinging onto the tails of daddy to get him out
of harms way and into the National Guard is something I cannot help.

Of course, some people think cocaine use, alcoholism and DUI are just fine
examples of a human being and would make FINE presidential material and
moral fiber - Obviously, my ethical bar is higher than your standard....
sad,,, but to each his own I suppose.

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

P.S. You're right, we should all thank Mr. Bush for turning a hard-earned
surplus budget (earned under Clinton's rule) into a 4.3 trillion dollar
DEFICIT.

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

The problem isn't so much that he is too far left, Kerry is simply
unlikable. The republicans often have a similiar problem in CA, the only
candidates that can win the nomination are too far right to win the election

Mike
MU-2

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:k_bid.351511$MQ5.252777@attbi_s52...
These people are mad Kerry didn't run a liberal campaign and can't stand
that he "was just as pro-war as Bush."

That is SO ironic.

If the Democrats has nominated a middle-of-the-road guy to run against
Bush -- say, Dick Gephardt -- this election would not have even been
close. The Democrats would have swept the nation, and never by less than
25 percentage points.

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the left
of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included -- who
would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election. But there
was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to run
for president again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

To be fair, the only reason that there was a surplus is because the country
got caught up in a technology stock mania. The market was generating
trillions of short term gains and taxes on those gains is what swelled
federal and state coffers. Bush entered the white house with millions of
taxpayers carrying forward losses.

Mike
MU-2

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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P.S. You're right, we should all thank Mr. Bush for turning a hard-earned
surplus budget (earned under Clinton's rule) into a 4.3 trillion dollar
DEFICIT.

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

Awww David, hang around! Lots of good stuff to be learned here. I've lived
on the earth long enough to recognize that living amongst Cro-Magnons can be
amusing. Yeah, they unfortunately have the right to vote,,,, but they make
a few grunts and run in the wall a few times and next thing we know, they
are running back to 'us' for advice and help.

I, too, am worried about the direction the country will take. For instance,
I never thought I'd see the day that something like the "Patriot Act" would
be put into place. Whenever we strip away the very core constitutional
rights of our people, we do a great harm to our nation and allow the
terrorists to exact an even more telling blow on our country. Fortunately,
there are enough men and women of reason who have actively gone after things
like the Patriot Act, aiding in disabling its' most sinister provisions. It
will be men and women of reason and good conscience that will bring things
around, again. I DO believe Kerry was one of those people, but thankfully
there are many like him - congressmen and women that won't allow those
precious and hard-fought-for documents to be attacked at their very heart;
The Constitution of The United States and The Bill of Rights - never EVER
letting us forget that our Constitution begins with those words; "WE, the
people......"

Though I can't say I believe in a divine being or UFO's (so, in my opinion,
we can't depend on extraterrestrials to help us, either) grin, I can say
that I have always believed that in times of dire circumstance that people
of good conscience will always overcome, persevere and succeed - even when
things look to be their darkest. This country will have it's time to shine,
again! :0) I believe that with all my heart! You should too!!!

Stay with us! :O)

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -