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Raptor Smurfs again!!!
Hi All
I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. I knew I should have patented the design!! Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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"John Cook" wrote in message ... Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote You mean that was a joke? I remember reading that and thinking it was real. DOH! So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. I knew I should have patented the design!! Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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I think you were pretty close back in April....
Believe they are indeed 'supplementary' flight control surfaces. The aircraft appears to be at a relatively high AOA based on the leading edge devices. Coupled with the rather significant deflection of the 'rudders' and 'ailerons' it seems that we're seeing a picture of the aircraft in a fairly high performance posture (roll to the right?). This is the first picture I have seen of aircraft in a slow speed, maneuvering situation and also first picture of the 'smurfs' deployed. Just coincidence?? Just a guess.... Mark "John Cook" wrote in message ... Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. I knew I should have patented the design!! Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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"John Cook" wrote:
Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. Well the cutaway on page 71 of World Airpower Journal Volume 38, Autumn/Fall 1999 identified the part you highlighted as cutaway item number 28 Bleed air door/spoiler panel and item number 29 was identified as a Bleed door hydraulic actuator. Pictures of the YF-22 contained in the same issue appear to have a similar feature located above the intake. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. No. I knew I should have patented the design!! No. |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:59:45 +1000, John Cook
wrote: Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... :-) Those have been there since the days of the YF-22 but on the prototype they were rotated 90 degrees so they were forward swept so-to-speak. They aren't the infamous strakes :-) http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. I knew I should have patented the design!! Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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I think you were pretty close back in April.... Believe they are indeed 'supplementary' flight control surfaces. The aircraft appears to be at a relatively high AOA based on the leading edge devices. Coupled with the rather significant deflection of the 'rudders' and 'ailerons' it seems that we're seeing a picture of the aircraft in a fairly high performance posture (roll to the right?). This is the first picture I have seen of aircraft in a slow speed, maneuvering situation and also first picture of the 'smurfs' deployed. Just coincidence?? Just a guess.... Mark Not coincidence but not flight control surfaces either. |
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"John Cook" wrote in message ... Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. Fence? I though an aero fence was aligned with the desired air flow. Can't say I *know* what those things sticking up are but they look more like air bleed doors than aerodynamic devices. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. On what subject and grounds? |
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"John Keeney" wrote in message ...
"John Cook" wrote in message ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. Fence? I though an aero fence was aligned with the desired air flow. Can't say I *know* what those things sticking up are but they look more like air bleed doors than aerodynamic devices. Hey, maybe they're speed brakes. Or phaser ports! You know, I was about 10 feet from that section of a Raptor at Andrews AFB earlier this year. THERE ARE NO SMURFS. Nothing that even remotely indicated either a retractable or provision for fixed overwing fences. |
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"John Keeney" wrote in message ... "John Cook" wrote in message snip So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. On what subject and grounds? Having had the Tarvernaut killfiled for quite some time now (oh, joyful solitude!), I can't help but notice that it has been quite a while since I saw any of his rants secondhand--did his ISP finally pull the plug on him after too many abuse complaints? Brooks |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:48:42 GMT, "Mark"
wrote: I think you were pretty close back in April.... Believe they are indeed 'supplementary' flight control surfaces. The aircraft appears to be at a relatively high AOA based on the leading edge devices. Coupled with the rather significant deflection of the 'rudders' and 'ailerons' it seems that we're seeing a picture of the aircraft in a fairly high performance posture (roll to the right?). This was the exact reason I posted it!!, I would assume it cocks the low RCS right up when the fence/air spill panel is open. that said, it is ontop of the airframe so its exposure to a _single_ enemy would be minor. Whats the usual reasons for having such a panel?, is it to stop umwanted airflow on the air spill port at High AoA, it seems (to my untrained eye) to be a bit of a hack on a stealth aircraft! Cheers This is the first picture I have seen of aircraft in a slow speed, maneuvering situation and also first picture of the 'smurfs' deployed. Just coincidence?? Just a guess.... Mark "John Cook" wrote in message .. . Hi All I was reading the excellent magazine Air Forces Monthly, and saw a picture of a Raptor F-22 Flying over Edwards AFB, and it appears to have what I previously played a joke about on April 1st - its got Smurfs -No really!!, take a look here... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/rap_smurf2.jpg Above the intake there seems to be a fence it doesn't seem to be a spill for the intakes, So what is it?. This time I haven't doctored the Pictures!!! as I did in this aprils fools joke here ... http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg I wrote as a joke back in april the following:- quote -"it shows two interesting additions to the F-22... Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-. 'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and stabalisation' The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their color. I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can anyone confirm. 'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins are deployed'"- end quote So there we are! could RAM owe an apology to Mr Tarver???. I knew I should have patented the design!! Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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