LAX?

jbskies wrote:

In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp).

(Why) did it stop?


Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason...

On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico
Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on
the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace.
This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major
airports such as LAX.

You can read the full story at AOPA:
http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html


That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace
reclassification to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the
midair to which you refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of
the Class B when the midair occurred.

An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause:

AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL
CONTROL AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC.

As to airline employees flying light aircraft into LAX to park at their
respective carriers' maintenance hangars, Class B had no affect on that
at all.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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jbskies wrote:

In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline
pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our
airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp).

(Why) did it stop?


Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason...

On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico
Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on
the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace.
This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major
airports such as LAX.

You can read the full story at AOPA:
http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html


That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace reclassification
to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the midair to which you
refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of the Class B when the
midair occurred.

An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause:

AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL
AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC.


"At 11:52:09, Flight 498 and the Piper Archer collided over Cerritos at
about 6,650 feet. The Archer had inadvertently penetrated the 6,000-foot
floor of the TCA without a clearance."

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:
I agree with the other respondents: if you're going for practical
reasons rather than the coolness factor you should fly into Hawthorne
instead. But if you want to fly to LAX it's not really a big deal
(except that you need to be on top of your game). It's probably a good
idea to phone the tower ahead of time to get the latest procedures and
let them know you're coming.

Nope. Strictly practical reasons. I just hate driving in the LA Basin.
I appreciate the feedback and I think I'll go with Hawthorne.

-- Dane

Matt Barrow wrote:
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jbskies wrote:


In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline
pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our
airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp).

(Why) did it stop?


Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason...

On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico
Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on
the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace.
This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major
airports such as LAX.

You can read the full story at AOPA:
http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html


That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace reclassification
to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the midair to which you
refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of the Class B when the
midair occurred.

An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause:

AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL
AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC.



"At 11:52:09, Flight 498 and the Piper Archer collided over Cerritos at
about 6,650 feet. The Archer had inadvertently penetrated the 6,000-foot
floor of the TCA without a clearance."


I think TCA (Class B) came from the San Diego Cessna/727 midair early 70's/

BillJ wrote:

I think TCA (Class B) came from the San Diego Cessna/727 midair early 70's/

Not so. The San Diego TCA came about as a result of that accident,
which was in the late '70s (Sept 1978).

There were already quite a few TCAs in effect when the PSA 727 Cessna
mid-air happened in San Diego.