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  #31  
Old February 3rd 10, 11:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:

Whoever you are, you need to improve your reading comprehension since
nothing in my post or its context indicates I was talking about you
or your previous post.


So whom were you talking about?


All the information you need to answer that trivially simple question is
already available.
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  #32  
Old February 4th 10, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Sam Spade writes:


It depends upon the airplane, Mr. Microsloft Simulator "pilot."



No, it doesn't. Do it and post the video to YouTube, and make me a liar.


Some of us are actually pilots, and some of us flew both light
airplanes and big jet airliners with hot wings and all that good
stuff, which can easily handle light to moderate continuous icing
conditions.



If you can keep the icing light, which you have no way of doing.


What part of "light to moderate" don't you understand?
  #33  
Old February 4th 10, 02:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Dave[_19_]
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Agreed Jm...

I am aware of that.

But sometimes, when I see correct information challenged by others
(troll or not) someone has to register their support for the correct
information, if for no other reason to insure that new
pilots/subscribers do not see the wrong info go unchallenged.

Here we are talking about ice.

This is important.

It is DEADLY.

You often don't know you have a proplem until it is too late.

There is an early (VERY early) "point of no return".

In this case , MX's comments were correct.

HOW he got his information, is not relevent... I learned, (was
taught) BEFORE I became a licenced pilot. One does not HAVE to be a
pilot and be lucky enough to "escape" icing to be knowledgable about
it. The NASA engineer who wrote that very comprensive paper about
icing was not a pilot either, but he has probably forgotten more about
it than most "pilots" will ever know.

So, a feeble attempt to correct..

Yea, I kow about these guys, - I have been a subscriber to this group
since 1992, but mostly lurk now...

Tonight it is up to -20C here... A heat wave!

Cheers!

Dave








On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:57:13 -0600, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Dave wrote:
OK...

So you are a pilot, and Mx is not?


Just FYI, you are responding to a troll that hangs out in
rec.aviation.piloting and many other groups. The perp can be IDed by
viewing all headers of a post and looking for an "X-Authenticated-User"
header, and if it has one, has the following value:

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwx18quhxz9-wu_g$qv3bkmank


  #34  
Old February 4th 10, 06:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Sam Spade writes:

What part of "light to moderate" don't you understand?


All of it. It's the unspoken "to severe" part that worries me (although
moderate can be bad, too).
  #35  
Old February 4th 10, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Jim Logajan writes:

All the information you need to answer that trivially simple question is
already available.


If it's trivially simple, you can answer it in fewer words than it took to
avoid answering.
  #36  
Old February 4th 10, 06:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Dave writes:

HOW he got his information, is not relevent... I learned, (was
taught) BEFORE I became a licenced pilot. One does not HAVE to be a
pilot and be lucky enough to "escape" icing to be knowledgable about
it. The NASA engineer who wrote that very comprensive paper about
icing was not a pilot either, but he has probably forgotten more about
it than most "pilots" will ever know.


Yes. Some of the stuff from NASA is extremely interesting.
  #37  
Old February 4th 10, 09:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Sam Spade
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Sam Spade writes:


What part of "light to moderate" don't you understand?



All of it. It's the unspoken "to severe" part that worries me (although
moderate can be bad, too).


How many times have you operated jet transports into a place like
Chicago O'Hare (KORD) when ATC has you slowed down to 160 knots and
number 20 in line for the approach in light to moderate icing conditions?

Heavy icing conditions are quite unusual except during freezing rain or
sleet. No air carrier is allowed to operate in or out of an airport
reporting heaving freezing rain. Of course you knew that.
  #38  
Old February 4th 10, 09:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Sam Spade
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave writes:


HOW he got his information, is not relevent... I learned, (was
taught) BEFORE I became a licenced pilot. One does not HAVE to be a
pilot and be lucky enough to "escape" icing to be knowledgable about
it. The NASA engineer who wrote that very comprensive paper about
icing was not a pilot either, but he has probably forgotten more about
it than most "pilots" will ever know.



Yes. Some of the stuff from NASA is extremely interesting.


He was working in an environment with seasoned test pilots and had
access to controlled icing experiments. He wasn't pulling his
observations out of his backside.
  #39  
Old February 5th 10, 05:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Sam Spade writes:

How many times have you operated jet transports into a place like
Chicago O'Hare (KORD) when ATC has you slowed down to 160 knots and
number 20 in line for the approach in light to moderate icing conditions?


I stay away from parts of the U.S. that have Siberian weather patterns. And I
avoid flying on commercial flights in poor weather, because I know that
airlines push the envelope.

Heavy icing conditions are quite unusual except during freezing rain or
sleet. No air carrier is allowed to operate in or out of an airport
reporting heaving freezing rain. Of course you knew that.


Yup. Then again, sometimes you find out about freezing rain by flying through
it.

How many encounters have you had with freezing rain?
  #40  
Old February 5th 10, 05:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.soaring,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Sam Spade writes:

He was working in an environment with seasoned test pilots and had
access to controlled icing experiments. He wasn't pulling his
observations out of his backside.


But he and I agree. So I cannot be wrong if he is right.
 




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