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From: "Gord Beaman" )
I forgot to mention that I served in Canada's Armed Forces for 26 years. -- -Gord. Gord, you should have joined our Air Force. I spent my last 14 years in Florida. Nothing like a warm flightline most of the year. Ok, so we get down to the 20s a few days a year, but we can't have it TOO easy. Y'see, it's a tad chilly way up there where you are. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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In article , Keith Willshaw
writes "Simon Robbins" wrote in message ... "Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message ... Well, there is a definite historical culture clash between Brits and Americans concerning personal ownership of firearms (and that alone is hard to overcome) - but it actually goes much deeper than the legal mechanics of private gun ownership. I believe that to be only a recent (i.e. past century) issue. Until WW2 I think it was legal for UK residents to own firearms, but as someone else said they were mainly long-barrelled weapons for sport or hunting. The hand gun has no other purpose than to shoot other people. It still is legal to own long arms, shotgun certificates arent that hard to get and even rifles can be had as long as they arent military assault weapons. As a child of the 50's weapons brought back as trophies from WW2 were not uncommon. The father of one school friend had at least 2 german machine pistols as well as a Luger. Being a Brit myself, I actually wish we did have the right to bear arms, at least on our own property, and the legal back up to use them if necessary. But, (and this is where I give the US population credit they deserve but very often don't get), is that I don't believe the UK population has the respect for those weapons tha they deserve. They've just not been part of our social landscape. If they were to legalise the ownership of hand guns tomorrow in a similar manner to US laws, gun crime and accidental shootings would (I believe) go through the roof as the current generation overcame the novelty value of owning a "piece". In rural areas shotguns are commonplace and the stringent regulations regarding their storage are the result of 2 factors 1) Accidental discharges of 'unloaded' weapons 2) Theft There was a period in the 70's when rural farms were the source of firearms for city based villains, far from protecting their owners from burglary they attracted unwelcome attention. My brother-in-law and nephew keep rifles and shotguns at their farm (here in the UK), and AFAIK part of the certificate/licence renewal process is a police inspection of the storage facilities. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:32:30 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote:
"Alan Minyard" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:42:04 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote: The WTC was not the result of internal terrorism. OK City was an aberration. You do know what has happened to the perpetrators, don't you? Is external terrorism less dangerous to life and limb ? We have an open society, and do not relish the "big brother" school of security. The thousands of cameras all over outdoor, public areas in the UK would never be tolerated in the US. Nonsense, there are over 2 thousand in NYC alone http://www.mediaeater.com/cameras/overview.html Keith Did you miss the part where it explained that only less than 300 of the cameras were government owned, and that these were security cameras on government buildings? If I want to video the street in front of my house that is hardly "big brother". In the UK the government maintains surveillance on the public, the US government does not. Al Minyard |
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:32:30 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote: "Alan Minyard" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:42:04 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote: The WTC was not the result of internal terrorism. OK City was an aberration. You do know what has happened to the perpetrators, don't you? Is external terrorism less dangerous to life and limb ? We have an open society, and do not relish the "big brother" school of security. The thousands of cameras all over outdoor, public areas in the UK would never be tolerated in the US. Nonsense, there are over 2 thousand in NYC alone http://www.mediaeater.com/cameras/overview.html Keith Did you miss the part where it explained that only less than 300 of the cameras were government owned, and that these were security cameras on government buildings? If I want to video the street in front of my house that is hardly "big brother". In the UK the government maintains surveillance on the public, the US government does not. I guess it's how you interpret the government's intentions. Personally, I'm OK with them knowing the ins-and-outs of my weekly shopping trips; especially if they're bothered to go to all that trouble of setting up the infrastructure and paying the x 1000s of guys to follow every move each of us makes 24/7 - fairplay to them. It strikes me you've the impression they're there to oppress us - simply not the case. They help catch criminals. That, at least, is what the telescreen in the corner tells me. Doubleplusgood! Jim Doyle Al Minyard |
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"Gord Beaman" ) wrote in
: (B2431) wrote: From: "Gord Beaman" ) I forgot to mention that I served in Canada's Armed Forces for 26 years. -- -Gord. Gord, you should have joined our Air Force. I spent my last 14 years in Florida. Nothing like a warm flightline most of the year. Ok, so we get down to the 20s a few days a year, but we can't have it TOO easy. Y'see, it's a tad chilly way up there where you are. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Chilly?..nah, quite comfortable Dan...you can always add clothes, or get inside when it really gets cold...tough to get comfortable down there sweltering in the heat. -- -Gord. It took me awhile to become acclimatized to Florida,but it was worth it. I hate snow.(20 yrs in Buffalo,and 9 in Indianapolis.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:32:30 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote: "Alan Minyard" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:42:04 +0100, "Keith Willshaw" wrote: The WTC was not the result of internal terrorism. OK City was an aberration. You do know what has happened to the perpetrators, don't you? Is external terrorism less dangerous to life and limb ? We have an open society, and do not relish the "big brother" school of security. The thousands of cameras all over outdoor, public areas in the UK would never be tolerated in the US. Nonsense, there are over 2 thousand in NYC alone http://www.mediaeater.com/cameras/overview.html Keith Did you miss the part where it explained that only less than 300 of the cameras were government owned, and that these were security cameras on government buildings? Ah so you believe that private surveillance cameras by definition are non intrusive and that only 300 government cameras dont count If I want to video the street in front of my house that is hardly "big brother". In the UK the government maintains surveillance on the public, the US government does not. In the UK the police maintain surveillance of public spaces, there are actually tighter controls on cameras in workplaces and private locations than the US We dont have a UK TV show called 'Busted On The Job' showing surveillance footage of employees. Lets get real here. Keith |
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"B2431" wrote in message
... Where did you get that idea? There are entire categories of competion using handguns (ever heard of the Olympics?) and many hunter use them as a greater challenge than long guns. Yeah, but that's like suggesting martial arts, though used for competition are designed for anything other than giving someone else a severely bad day. Tell me, did Colt have competition in mind when he developed the revolver? We've turned many dangerous activities into sport, but that doesn't disguise their original intention. Si |
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