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question about instrument proficiency check
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:27:06 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld
wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:36:41 -0700, Sylvain wrote: Ron Rosenfeld wrote: So it seems this is another area of Lynch's FAQ's that should be changed. ...or may be it is part 61 that needs some rewrite... ok, now, I am getting confused (well, a little bit more than I was already that is :-) ); is there any examiner reading this? what would be the answers to these questions (privileges of flight and ground instructors) least likely to have someone fail a CFI checkride? :-) --Sylvain I would think that if OK city is teaching at an Examiner's training session that an IGI cannot give an FPC in an FTD, & that Lynch's FAQ's say they can, that something needs to be changed. I did point all this out in my email to Lynch. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Think about it......The FAA is not going to let a non-pilot, non flight instructor, (the ground instructor ratings require neither), that just may have never even been in an aircraft himself, to certify that a pilot is fit to go up in the crap. Do you think otherwise? |
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question about instrument proficiency check
Bill Zaleski wrote:
that a pilot is fit to go up in the crap. Do you think otherwise? Absolutely not. But the discussion was not about common sense here, but rather the strict interpretation of the scriptures as they stand. :-) --Sylvain |
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question about instrument proficiency check
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:00:51 -0700, Sylvain wrote:
Bill Zaleski wrote: that a pilot is fit to go up in the crap. Do you think otherwise? Absolutely not. But the discussion was not about common sense here, but rather the strict interpretation of the scriptures as they stand. :-) --Sylvain Well, then you seem to have answered the question about who you would use for an IPC. |
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question about instrument proficiency check
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:27:14 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld
wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:34:56 GMT, Bill Zaleski wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:45:29 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:51:25 GMT, Bill Zaleski wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:06:50 -0700, Sylvain wrote: Ron Rosenfeld wrote: I can't find that statement specifically in the regs, although in John Lynch's FAQ's regarding Part 61, thanks a bunch! I feel silly not to have looked for it in the FAQ first (the fact that there is an entry in the FAQ on this very subject would tend to show that the regs by themselves are a wee bit ambiguous :-) ) --Sylvain A ground instructor can give the training, but cannot sign off an IPC. Sounds a little strange, but true. Only a CFII can endorse the IPC. This information was taught at Oklahoma City during the initial pilot examiner certification course. You can look at FAR 61.215 and see that it is not included within the priveliges afforded ground instructors. How about if the IPC is given in a sim? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Doesn't change anything. A ground instructor's priveliges are specified in 61.215. Endorsing an IPC is not one of them. OK -- now I have to go back and try to find what I was vaguely remembering ... That's contrary to what Lynch writes in Q&A315 "... The term "authorized instructor" was intentionally used in § 61.57(d) because authorization to conduct an instrument proficiency check is not limited to a CFII. A Ground Instructor Certificate - Instrument Rating is also an "authorized instructor" and is authorized to give the instrument proficiency check in an approved flight training device." Lynch also lists some other, non-CFII types that are authorized to give IPC's under certain circumstances. Having written that, I agree with you that 61.215(c) is contrary to what Lynch writes in that it mentions only the "training" and if the FAA wanted to allow IGI's to give IPC's in FTD's, they could have specifically so stated in that section. So it seems this is another area of Lynch's FAQ's that should be changed. But let me check the most recent version -- the one I was looking was 2003. ... Nope -- unchanged in 2005. I'll send him an email. "onward through the fog" Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Bill, and Sylvain, I sent my email to Mr. Lynch yesterday and received his response today. The answer in Q&A-315 *IS incorrect* and will be changed in the next published revision. In particular, the change will specifically state that an IGI is *NOT* authorized to administer an IPC. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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question about instrument proficiency check
hello there!. this one might be useful,
http://www.tpub.com/aviation1.htm try to visit the link. they provide military aviation infos there! Sylvain wrote: Until recently I was convinced that only a CFII could conduct an instrument proficiency check (as opposed to a plain CFI), but now I am confused: 14 CFR 61.195(c) says that an instructor must have an instrument rating on *both* his pilot and instructor certificates, i.e., be a CFII, in order to "provide(s) instrument flight training *for the issuance of an instrument rating*"; This is how a plain CFI (not II) can provide the training required to satisfy the requirements of good old 14 CFR 61.109(a)(3) -- i.e., the three hours training by sole reference to instruments required to get a private certificate; Now, the problem is that I haven't found where in the regulations it is specified that a CFII must conduct the instrument proficiency check (which is *not* training for the issuance of an instrument rating that the student already has); 14 CFR 61.57(d) says training has to be provided by an 'authorized instructor' (in addition to examiners etc.) -- is this what I am missing? that would be an odd use of the term 'authorized instructor' as compared to other places in the regs. Now I probably missed something obvious, but can a CFI (not II) provide the training and endorse someone's instrument proficiency check? (and if not where is it said in the regs?) Note: I am not trying to do something silly, but I am in the process of studying the regs in details and I like to understand the fine points. --Sylvain |
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