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mike regish wrote:

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most knowledgeable
person involved in this conversation and I have learned a great deal from
your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but latest scientific
estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15 billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing myself.
If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some otherwise
intelligent people believe.

I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and
the intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really
funny, but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.

Matt

Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
do, but to some it's worth it.

As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
try to confuse you with knowledge again.

You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
day.

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most
knowledgeable person involved in this conversation and I have learned a
great deal from your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but
latest scientific estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15
billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing
myself. If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some
otherwise intelligent people believe.

I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and the
intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really funny,
but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.

Matt

mike regish wrote:
Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
do, but to some it's worth it.

Singularity. A nice sophisticated way to say "we don't know." There
are a lot of things I don't know and that the Bible doesn't explain, but
there is a lot it does explain as well.


As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
try to confuse you with knowledge again.

And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.


You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
day.

Actually, discussion with you aren't taxing at all...


Matt

Ah...sorry. Didn't notice the from line and this is just the kind of thing
that the bible beaters actually spout.

mike regish

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:19:05 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

ROTFLMAO.
What year is this?
I really hope you don't hold any position involving any kind of authority
or
importance.

mike regish

" jls" wrote in message
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The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for
serving
as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly
and
that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That
sure
does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider
otherwise,
like the fossil record.





It's sarcasm, m'lad

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:29:03 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:

And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.



Could you provide a few examples of this?


There was a movie about it - you might remember "Indiana Jones?" Sheesh,
you must live in a closet.

(sarcasm)

This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
nothing you can say will change that.

I just shook my head when a friend at work whom rejoiced at most of the Penn
and Teller "Bull****" shows, was appalled and upset when they took on the
bible. I tried to point out that believeing in aliens was about equivalent
to believeing in walking on water and turning water into wine. Neither have
any proof and you can blast the other folks when your own unfounded beliefs
are as odd.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Sure. What did you indoctrinate your kids into?


Nothing. They can make their own choices whenever they wish. I give them
all the answers I can and find out the ones I can't. They are very
curious kids and I have always been a pretty curious and scientifically
oriented person. And I know how to say "I don't know." It has been a
learning experience for all of us. And their teachers and all their
friends mothers have always commented on how well behaved they are. I
guess my athiestic morals can't be all that bad.

So you indoctrinate them into the religion of "free thinking", philosophy,
etc. I was just curious.

That is not a religion. Find a dictionary.



mike regish
(and that IS my real name)

BTW, I don't really give a rats ass what grade you give me.

Really? Then why does it bother you so much?


I'm curious as to what makes you think it bothers me.

Because you bothered to reply to it.


I'll give you a B+ on

grammar, but you need to add an apostrophe to rat's.


The mark of the desperately wrong. Pointing out typos.

The mark of the arrogantly wrong.


Matt

One question...

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????

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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:58:34 -0500, "Dick" wrote:

This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
nothing you can say will change that.


Oh, I have no illusions.

One cannot overcome nonevidentiary, nonrational beliefs with evidence
and reason.

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:59:36 GMT, "Joe Herman"
wrote:


One question...

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????


They belive in faith. I believe in placing my faith in a good aviation
mechanic?

Roger

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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:58:34 -0500, "Dick" wrote:

This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
nothing you can say will change that.


Oh, I have no illusions.

One cannot overcome nonevidentiary, nonrational beliefs with evidence
and reason.






Roger

"Joe Herman" wrote in message
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One question...

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????


Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

It's hard to imagine, but this poem is even better when Dwayne O'Brien sings
it.

See "Song Pilot" at http://www.flightsongrecords.com/ or buy it at the inn.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"