First IFR flight after checkride

On 8/23/04 2:55 AM, in article
.net, "Gene Whitt"
wrote:

Wiz et al,
Tried to post to the ifr group but it won't take my post because it's new.
What to do?

Gene.


I'm seeing your posts Gene. Maybe you could post to piloting or student with
my name in the subject line?
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
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In article ,
(Doug) writes:

Don't get casual about it. I for one won't do it
unless I can proceed VFR to the next airport on my route. I choose to
get void time. I"ll admit, sometimes I have had to wait, but it is
rare and at least I am waiting on the ground, not in the air.


The problem I experience with void times is that when you want one so does
everyone else. So you get the "all briefers are busy" and wait and wait and
wait. Maybe I'm not doing it right. I call FSS and get the void time from
them after they get it from ???. Is there a better way?

Chuck

On 23 Aug 2004 13:54:23 -0700, (Doug)
wrote:

A word of warning about picking up clearances in the air.

Ditto. I have had to fly 20 miles before receiving my clearance due
to a combo of a busy controller and spotty radar coverage at low
altitudes. Much easier to use the remote frequency or call FSS and
get a clearance.

As Doug said, better to be on the ground waiting for the clearance
than to be hurling along closer to ground and clouds than you desire.

-Nathan

"john smith" wrote in message ...
Wizard of Draws wrote:
Going home, it was pretty much the same song, played backwards. But instead
of picking up our clearance in the air, we made the small mistake of waiting
for it on the ground. We waited almost 10 minutes at the hold line with the
Hobbs turning like a dervish, and were just about to call and say we'd be
departing VFR and pick up the clearance later, when they called us. Lesson
learned. But all in all, one of the most fun flights I've had in a long time
and a big confidence builder.

Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure?
You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for
separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic
is clear, the flight becomes normal IFR.


I'm not sure what you mean here, could you elaborate? He was waiting for his clearance.

Are you saying that earlier, when he requested his clearance he could have said "N123, ifr to XYZ, request VFR
departure"? If so, how would ATC have replied to that request? Though I've taken off VFR and picked up my IFR
clearance in the air before, I'm not familiar with this protocol of requesting it before taking off...

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

Going home, it was pretty much the same song, played backwards. But
instead
of picking up our clearance in the air, we made the small mistake of
waiting
for it on the ground. We waited almost 10 minutes at the hold line
with the
Hobbs turning like a dervish, and were just about to call and say we'd be
departing VFR and pick up the clearance later, when they called us.
Lesson
learned. But all in all, one of the most fun flights I've had in a
long time
and a big confidence builder.


Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure?
You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for
separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic
is clear, the flight becomes normal IFR.

I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument flight plan,
but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published nomenclature, or
something you made up?

The problem I experience with void times is that when you want one so does
everyone else. So you get the "all briefers are busy" and wait and wait and
wait. Maybe I'm not doing it right. I call FSS and get the void time from
them after they get it from ???. Is there a better way?

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from
the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the "all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

Dave Butler wrote:
I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument flight
plan, but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published
nomenclature, or something you made up?

I typed the text from the new Instrument Procedures Handbook
FAA-H-8261-1), page 2-32, last night and posted it. It doesn't seem to
have come through. I will retype it later today and try posting it again.

john smith wrote:
Dave Butler wrote:

I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument
flight plan, but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published
nomenclature, or something you made up?


I typed the text from the new Instrument Procedures Handbook
FAA-H-8261-1), page 2-32, last night and posted it. It doesn't seem to
have come through. I will retype it later today and try posting it again.

I saw that. You posted it on a different thread. The description talks about
departing VFR and then picking up a clearance after you depart, which I
undertand. Your posting said:

"Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure?
You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for
separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic is clear,
the flight becomes normal IFR."

AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said.

Dave

Dave Butler wrote:


AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said.

He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and possibly
traffic. This is very common out here in the West to expedite getting
on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP to clear terrain.

Newps wrote:

Dave Butler wrote:


AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said.

He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and possibly
traffic. This is very common out here in the West to expedite getting
on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP to clear terrain.

OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued a
clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can see where it
could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB