First IFR flight after checkride

Dave Butler wrote:
Newps wrote:

Dave Butler wrote:


AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said.


He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and
possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to
expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP
to clear terrain.


OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued a
clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can see
where it could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB

No, the exact language in the book is VFR DEPARTURE. (Where did I post
it, I typed the wording exactly as it appeared in the book?)
It is also explained on one of the recent PILOT'S AUDIO UPDATE CD'S.

Dave Butler wrote:
AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said.

He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and
possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to
expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP
to clear terrain.

OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued a
clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can see
where it could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB

Found it. Accidently got posted a couple threads down.

This from the newly issued INSTRUMENT PROCEDURES HANDBOOK (FAA-H-8261-1)
Page 2-32...

VFR DEPARTURE
There may be times when you need to fly an IFR flight plan due to the
weather you will encounter at a later time (or if you simply wish to fly
IFR to remain proficient), but the weather outside is clearly VFR. It
may be that you can depart VFR, but you need to get an IFR clearance
shortly after departing the airport. A VFR departure can be used as a
tool that allows you to get off the ground without having to wait for a
time slot in the IFR system, however, departing VFR with the intent of
receiving and IFR clearance in the air can also present serious hazards
worth considering.
A VFR departure dramatically changes the takeoff responsibilities for
you and for ATC. Upon receiving clearance for a VFR departure, you are
cleared to depart; however, you must maintain separation between
yourself and other traffic. You are responsible for maintaining terrain
and obstruction clearance as well as remaining in VFR weather
conditions. You cannot fly in IMC without first receiving your IFR
clearance. Likewise, a VFR departure relieves ATC of these duties, and
basically requires them only to provide you with safety alerts as
workload permits.
Maintain VFR until you have obtained your IFR clearance and have ATC
approval to proceed on course in accordance with your clearance. If you
accept this clearance and are below the minimum IFR altitude for
operations in the area, you accept responsibiility for
terrain/obstruction clearance until you reach that altitude.

He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and
possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to
expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP
to clear terrain.



OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued
a clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can
see where it could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB


No, the exact language in the book is VFR DEPARTURE. (Where did I post
it, I typed the wording exactly as it appeared in the book?)
It is also explained on one of the recent PILOT'S AUDIO UPDATE CD'S.

Yes, and the language you posted makes it very clear that it is not an IFR
operation. Read what it says. A VFR departure is simply departing VFR and
getting a clearance later.

Dave Butler wrote:
He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and
possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to
expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP
to clear terrain.




OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued
a clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can
see where it could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB



No, the exact language in the book is VFR DEPARTURE. (Where did I post
it, I typed the wording exactly as it appeared in the book?)
It is also explained on one of the recent PILOT'S AUDIO UPDATE CD'S.


Yes, and the language you posted makes it very clear that it is not an
IFR operation. Read what it says. A VFR departure is simply departing
VFR and getting a clearance later.

As I understand it, you have already obtained your IFR clearance, you
are just being held for release until the other inbound/outbound traffic
is assured to be clear of the airspace. You have your IFR clearance, you
depart VFR to provide the separation/obstruction/terrain clearance.
Similar to a VFR ON TOP clearance. You are IFR, but you are at a VFR
altitude and assume separation/obstruction/terrain clearance until such
time as you elect to operate at an IFR altitude or encounter IFR conditions.

In article , Dave Butler
writes:

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

Chuck

john smith wrote:

As I understand it, you have already obtained your IFR clearance, you
are just being held for release until the other inbound/outbound traffic
is assured to be clear of the airspace.

Yes, so far so good.


You have your IFR clearance, you
depart VFR to provide the separation/obstruction/terrain clearance.

You are VFR at this point. Period. No ifs ands or buts. Your IFR
clearance is in no way in effect.


Similar to a VFR ON TOP clearance.

No. An OTP operation is an IFR operation. A VFR departure is just
that, VFR.

john smith wrote:
As I understand it, you have already obtained your IFR clearance, you
are just being held for release until the other inbound/outbound traffic
is assured to be clear of the airspace. You have your IFR clearance, you
depart VFR to provide the separation/obstruction/terrain clearance.
Similar to a VFR ON TOP clearance. You are IFR, but you are at a VFR
altitude and assume separation/obstruction/terrain clearance until such
time as you elect to operate at an IFR altitude or encounter IFR
conditions.

That's not what the snippet you posted says. Have you read it?

PaulaJay1 wrote:
In article , Dave Butler
writes:


Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.


Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

RDU. The statewide clearance delivery phone number for North Carolina is
800-548-3196.

Some of the clearance delivery numbers seem to be at
http://flighttraining.aopa.org/membe...g/pdfs/fss.pdf

They are in the A/FD.


"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...
PaulaJay1 wrote:
In article , Dave Butler
writes:


Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different
from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had
the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.


Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight
Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many
of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What
is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

RDU. The statewide clearance delivery phone number for North Carolina is
800-548-3196.

Some of the clearance delivery numbers seem to be at
http://flighttraining.aopa.org/membe...g/pdfs/fss.pdf

(PaulaJay1) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Butler
writes:

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

Chuck


They are in the AF/D in the section "FAA and NWS Phone Numbers". In
the south-central region (SC) there seems to be one for almost every
FSS....

Don't stop when you get to the TAF and METAR decoding pages
however--for some bizarre reason (in the SC volume at least) those are
thrown in there before the rest of the phone numbers of the ATRCCs,
TRACONS, and many Airports for the region. It's easy to miss and
there is NOT a separate entry in the table of contents page. I would
like to hear if other volumes do or do not have the same goofiness...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ