Carb heat: my new policy. Any comments

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Bertie

Liar. Are you so stupid you can't follow a thread one post long.

Hey Okie, crank up that one brain cell and explain how he ever proposed
such a solution to the problem you just pulled out of your a$$?

Pushing in the carb heat with the throttle on a go around is taught by,
hmmm let's see here 1,2,...251...carry the 4, uhm every friggin CFI on
the face of the earth to every 2 hr+ student pilot on the face of the
earth (assuming it was missed in the first hour).

Jeez you are one dumb-as-a-day-old-dog-turd Okie, and only prove over
and over again that you have exactly zip experience when it comes to
planes that don't have a 101 keyboard and a mouse attached as standard
equipment. I can see why you rarely offer anything of a substantive
nature in this NG, which in your case demonstrates rare intelligence
because you can't possibly do as much without stepping on your dork.

Thanks for confirming that you can't either.

Ah yes, the old tried-and-true "I'm rubber, you're glue" line again.

I'm sure you think you're quite the wit for employing that defense and to
give credit where credit is due, you are half right.

Then address the issue, dumb ass.

I already did, you subliterate Okie, and well before your ad nauseum "Yes,
exactly" responses to posts you had no hope of comprehending.

Intelligence may have its limits, but you're a living testament to the fact
that stupidity doesn't.

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Bertie

Liar. Are you so stupid you can't follow a thread one post long.

Hey Okie, crank up that one brain cell and explain how he ever
proposed such a solution to the problem you just pulled out of your
a$$?

Pushing in the carb heat with the throttle on a go around is taught
by, hmmm let's see here 1,2,...251...carry the 4, uhm every friggin
CFI on the face of the earth to every 2 hr+ student pilot on the face
of the earth (assuming it was missed in the first hour).

Jeez you are one dumb-as-a-day-old-dog-turd Okie, and only prove over
and over again that you have exactly zip experience when it comes to
planes that don't have a 101 keyboard and a mouse attached as standard
equipment. I can see why you rarely offer anything of a substantive
nature in this NG, which in your case demonstrates rare intelligence
because you can't possibly do as much without stepping on your dork.

Thanks for confirming that you can't either.

Ah yes, the old tried-and-true "I'm rubber, you're glue" line again.

I'm sure you think you're quite the wit for employing that defense and
to give credit where credit is due, you are half right.

Then address the issue, dumb ass.

I already did, you subliterate Okie, and well before your ad nauseum "Yes,
exactly" responses to posts you had no hope of comprehending.

Intelligence may have its limits, but you're a living testament to the
fact that stupidity doesn't.

You're a liar.

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Bertie

Liar. Are you so stupid you can't follow a thread one post long.

Hey Okie, crank up that one brain cell and explain how he ever
proposed such a solution to the problem you just pulled out of your
a$$?

Pushing in the carb heat with the throttle on a go around is taught
by, hmmm let's see here 1,2,...251...carry the 4, uhm every friggin
CFI on the face of the earth to every 2 hr+ student pilot on the face
of the earth (assuming it was missed in the first hour).

Jeez you are one dumb-as-a-day-old-dog-turd Okie, and only prove over
and over again that you have exactly zip experience when it comes to
planes that don't have a 101 keyboard and a mouse attached as
standard equipment. I can see why you rarely offer anything of a
substantive nature in this NG, which in your case demonstrates rare
intelligence because you can't possibly do as much without stepping
on your dork.

Thanks for confirming that you can't either.

Ah yes, the old tried-and-true "I'm rubber, you're glue" line again.

I'm sure you think you're quite the wit for employing that defense and
to give credit where credit is due, you are half right.

Then address the issue, dumb ass.

I already did, you subliterate Okie, and well before your ad nauseum
"Yes, exactly" responses to posts you had no hope of comprehending.

Intelligence may have its limits, but you're a living testament to the
fact that stupidity doesn't.

You're a liar.

How do I know you're not lying?

Lonnie wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

On thread creep; there are actually two entirely seperate issues in play
with this thread as I see it. One of the issues, and one that has been
addressed by others as well as myself, is the issue of changing or
altering a normal and or published procedure, in this case as the initial
poster put it, "setting up a new SOP".
What I'm dealing with is simply the "changing of normal procedure" issue.
FWIW, I usually draw examples from either past or present personal
experience when posting on these forums. I'm sorry you have chosen to see
this as my "blowing my own horn". I assure you this is not now nor has it
ever been my intention to do that.
It's an unfortunate byproduct of Usenet that there will be those who for
one reason or another, find someone as you appear to have found me.
Sorry you feel this way. I'm fairly certain that under different
circumstances, we might have had useful aviation related information to
share with each other.


Sorry, but that wasn't much help.




For once you're right.

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Dudley Henriques

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:41382e98-ee2e-45a8-
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On Sep 8, 12:54*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

That observation is in conflict with my experience. Everytime I've
gotten carb ice in the pattern has been on a clear day.

But not a clear dry one.

Well ok. Dry in the sense of visible moisture; yes, no visible
moisture. However, we know that humidy is the key to carb ice so there
had to be some humidy. But what type of solution is that? You teach
students to subtract the dew point from the temp in order to decide
when to turn off carb heat. That just sounds complicated for little
gain.

Yeah, of course.I wasn't offering it as a solution, though. My statement
was a bit vaue, though.
Here's what I actually do. With a small continental I would pull the
carb heat on downwind a good bit before I pulled the power. I'd leave it
on through the approach and kncok it off very short finals, when I have
a moment to knock i off. If I thought it was a good day for carb ice, I
might leave it on through the landing. If I'm not flying that particular
airplane a lot, I might forget, but I do make a rule of locating it in
relation to the throttle so that I can push it off if I have to go
around. Most airplanes have it arranged so that it's easy to do that
with the notable exception of quadrant cherokees. Stearmans are also a
PITA if you're in the rear cockpit. If reaching it without distracting
yourself form the primary task of flying the airplane is a problem, I
either get rid of it early on if the engine is not particularly
susceptible, like a cherokee, for instnace, or I'd just leave it on and
live with the performance decrement, like in a W670 powered Stearman.
Better 90% power than none at all.
I used to fly a lot of old airplanes and carb heat was always applied
often so I haven't gotten it very often at all. I have gotten it a few
tims with Continentals, Wrights and Pratts, but I can't remember a
single instance of carb ice on a modern Lycoming. Not to say it couldn't
happen.

Bertie


Bertie

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On Sep 8, 5:11 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Well ok. Dry in the sense of visible moisture; yes, no visible
moisture. However, we know that humidy is the key to carb ice so
there
had to be some humidy. But what type of solution is that? You teach
students to subtract the dew point from the temp in order to decide
when to turn off carb heat. That just sounds complicated for little
gain.

It's not complicated. If the temp and dewpoint are 3 or 5 or
8 degrees (Celcius) apart, ice is likely. If they're 25 degrees
apart,
it's not. Anyone can print out the carb ice risk chart (Google "carb
ice") and stick it where it's handy.
Here in Canada, the regs say this:

"602.72 The pilot-in-command of an aircraft shall, before commencing
a
flight, be familiar with the available weather information that is
appropriate to the intended flight."

I would imagine the FAA has something equivalent to that.

So some sort of weather information is mandatory, and that
would include temp and dewpoint. There's no excuse for being
surprised
by carb ice. None at all. Like I tell my students, "You wouldn't dive
into water without making sure there were no hazards in it that might
injure you (hard or sharp pointy things under the surface, predators,
and so on) and that it wasn't one degree above freezing. Why would we
take off into air about which we know nothing?

Dan

You want to argue awareness of conditions to justify dropping carb
heat,
when dropping carb heat is not necessary to solve the OP's issue?


You're an idiot, control freak boi.

Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Lycomings, no problem with your plan at all. Continentals ice a bit
more easily, and on a clear dry day, there won't be a problem
either,
though I'd be inclined to leave it on just a bit longer. I'd also
get
in the habit of pushing the carb heat in with the throttle if you
go
around..

Bertie

Your a dumb ass. What next, practicing emergency landings by turning
off the fuel?

If you don't like an engines throttle response with carb heat on,
turning off the carb heat is NOT the solution.


Didn't say it was, fjukkktard.


Bertie

Liar. Are you so stupid you can't follow a thread one post long.


Yeh, right wannabe boi..



Bertie

"Lonnie" @_#~#@.^net wrote in :


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Sep 8, 12:54 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

That observation is in conflict with my experience. Everytime I've
gotten carb ice in the pattern has been on a clear day.

But not a clear dry one.

Well ok. Dry in the sense of visible moisture; yes, no visible
moisture. However, we know that humidy is the key to carb ice so there
had to be some humidy. But what type of solution is that? You teach
students to subtract the dew point from the temp in order to decide
when to turn off carb heat. That just sounds complicated for little
gain.


You're an idiot, Maxie.



Go play wiht your guns.



Bertie

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Bertie

Liar. Are you so stupid you can't follow a thread one post long.

Hey Okie, crank up that one brain cell and explain how he ever
proposed such a solution to the problem you just pulled out of your
a$$?

Pushing in the carb heat with the throttle on a go around is taught
by, hmmm let's see here 1,2,...251...carry the 4, uhm every friggin
CFI on the face of the earth to every 2 hr+ student pilot on the face
of the earth (assuming it was missed in the first hour).

Jeez you are one dumb-as-a-day-old-dog-turd Okie, and only prove over
and over again that you have exactly zip experience when it comes to
planes that don't have a 101 keyboard and a mouse attached as
standard equipment. I can see why you rarely offer anything of a
substantive nature in this NG, which in your case demonstrates rare
intelligence because you can't possibly do as much without stepping
on your dork.

Thanks for confirming that you can't either.





For ****'s sake Maxie, you can't even do a decent IKYABWAI post.



Bertie

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
I was taught to push in the carb heat with my thumb while advancing the
throttle for a go-around.

That won't work so well in a Piper. You need to do one, then the other.

.... Alan
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Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com