F4U inverted gull wings

I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?
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From: (Bob M.)

wroteThe Hellcat) was mid winged, not low winged.

The Hellcat was actually low wing.
Otherwise good historical question.
VL

"Bob M." wrote in message
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I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?


Propeller diameter on the F6F-5 was 13' 1".
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:38:25 +0000 (UTC), (Bob M.)
wrote:

I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?

First off, the F6F was a low wing aircraft...

Roscoe
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Bob M. wrote:
I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?

I'm not sure if it is the answer - but fitting gull wings (whether
inverted or not) means that the wing root joins the fuselage at approx
90 deg - therebye eliminating the need for a large, drag-producing
wing-to-fuselage fillet.

Having said that, the F4F Wildcat had mid-wings without any fillets.

You only need fillets on high or low-winged a/c

Is the Hellcat mid-winged - I can't remember ?

ken

Air Force Jayhawk wrote:

First off, the F6F was a low wing aircraft...

Okay...

1) Shorter rear fuselage and tail landing gear struts, so the nose points higher
when the plane is parked,

2) engine is set higher, with the air ducting set under the engine rather than
the wings; the fuselage, while the about the same thickness side-to-side, was
thicker top-to-bottom.

Stephen "FPilot" Bierce/IPMS #35922
{Sig Quotes Removed on Request}
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"Ken Duffey" wrote in message
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I'm not sure if it is the answer - but fitting gull wings (whether
inverted or not) means that the wing root joins the fuselage at approx
90 deg - therebye eliminating the need for a large, drag-producing
wing-to-fuselage fillet.

Having said that, the F4F Wildcat had mid-wings without any fillets.

You only need fillets on high or low-winged a/c

Is the Hellcat mid-winged - I can't remember ?

Take a look at the picture.....looks like a low wing to me.

http://www.warbirdalley.com/f6f.htm

George Z.

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Bob M. wrote in message ...
I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?

Corsair propeller diameter 13 feet 4 inches, ground clearance
9.1 inches, engine R-2800-8.

Hellcat propeller diameter 13 feet 1 inch, ground clearance
7.3 inches, engine R-2800-10.

The gull wing was one solution to the trade offs between wing
placement relative to the fuselage, propeller diameter and landing
gear size.

I would suggest looking at cut away drawings to see the differences
between the two types. The Corsair went for a smaller fuselage
size, putting the fuel in front of the cockpit and putting the air intakes
in the wing roots. The Hellcat had the fuel located effectively under
the cockpit, with the bonus that the deeper fuselage raised the cockpit
giving better forward view, very useful for carrier operations, it also had
the air intakes mounted under the engine, hence a larger frontal area
than the Corsair with the inevitable performance penalties but mounting
the engine higher in the fuselage to help propeller clearance. It looks
like the Hellcat's wing was slightly broader than the Cosairs, so more
room for the landing gear and the Hellcat had a smaller landing gear
tread 11 feet versus 12 feet 1 inch so the gear was mounted closer
to the fuselage where the wing was broadest.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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"Bob M." wrote in message
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I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?


The F6F-5 propeller was 13' 1" in diameter.

The Navy Wildcat F4F was midwing. The Hellcat F6F was low wing.

WDA

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"Bob M." wrote in message
...
I recently visited the Udvar-Hazy facility and received the usual
story about how the Corsair got its inverted gull wings, i.e. to
accomodate the 13 ft. prop which, in turn, was necesitated by the
engines power. However, the Hellcat used essentially the same engine,
and IIRC also used a 13 ft. prop. Yet it did not need those wings.
In fact it was mid winged, not low winged. So what is the true story?
Were the gull wings just one solution. How did the Hellcat
accomodate the prop? Longer landing gear? Or am I wrong? Was the
Hellcat prop 13 ft.?
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