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Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam



 
 
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Old July 8th 04, 11:23 PM
WalterM140
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Default Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam

To put it in perspective, here are 9 ways Bush got favored treatment in the
service due to his political connections (he
was then son of a Congressman and grandson of a former Senator):

1) He got into the Guard by pulling strings, avoiding the year and a half
waiting list;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#got in

2) He took a 2-month vacation in Florida after just 8 weeks, (1 of 3 leaves),
to
work on a political campaign;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#firstleave

3) Bush skipped Officer Candidate School and got a special commission as a
2nd
Lieutenant, without qualifications;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#2ndLt

4) He was assigned to a safe plane (being phased out of active service), the
F-102 ;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#f102

5) During flight school, he was flown on a government jet to Washington for a
date with President Nixon's daughter Tricia ;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#date

6) Bush got an illegal transfer (later overruled) to a base with no work;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#moreleave

7) He simply didn't show up for a YEAR, AWOL with no penalty;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#AWOL

8) George W. skipped all his medical exams after they started drug tests, and
was removed from flight status;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#drugtest

9) He ended his service 10 months early to go to Harvard Business School;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#discharge









To put it in perspective, here are 9 ways Bush got favored treatment in the
service due to his political connections (he
was then son of a Congressman and grandson of a former Senator):

1) He got into the Guard by pulling strings, avoiding the year and a half
waiting list;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#got in

2) He took a 2-month vacation in Florida after just 8 weeks, (1 of 3 leaves),
to
work on a political campaign;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#firstleave

3) Bush skipped Officer Candidate School and got a special commission as a
2nd
Lieutenant, without qualifications;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#2ndLt

4) He was assigned to a safe plane (being phased out of active service), the
F-102 ;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#f102

5) During flight school, he was flown on a government jet to Washington for a
date with President Nixon's daughter Tricia ;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#date

6) Bush got an illegal transfer (later overruled) to a base with no work;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#moreleave

7) He simply didn't show up for a YEAR, AWOL with no penalty;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#AWOL

8) George W. skipped all his medical exams after they started drug tests, and
was removed from flight status;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#drugtest

9) He ended his service 10 months early to go to Harvard Business School;
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#discharge


I got a link not found message.

Someone may have hacked the site. That's what they've done to michaelmoore.com
also.

But good work.

Walt
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Old July 9th 04, 12:11 AM
Krztalizer
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I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe
aircraft"! Were they really?

v/r
Gordon
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Old July 9th 04, 02:36 AM
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They were so "safe" that the design was redesigned into the F106 to fix all
the problems.

MikeT


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Old July 9th 04, 03:33 AM
Ian MacLure
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"miket6065" wrote in
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They were so "safe" that the design was redesigned into the F106 to
fix all the problems.


Safety wasn't the problem. Drag was. The F-102 was supposed to be
a supersonic aircraft but wasn't good for much beyond Mach 1.
Area ruling and an increase in power gave us the F-106, easily
capable of Mach 2.

IBM

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Old July 9th 04, 03:50 AM
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"Ian MacLure" wrote in message
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Safety wasn't the problem. Drag was. The F-102 was supposed to be
a supersonic aircraft but wasn't good for much beyond Mach 1.


That would make it a supersonic aircraft.



Area ruling and an increase in power gave us the F-106, easily
capable of Mach 2.


The F-102A was area ruled.


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Old July 11th 04, 05:27 AM
Ian MacLure
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Ian MacLure" wrote in message
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Safety wasn't the problem. Drag was. The F-102 was supposed to be
a supersonic aircraft but wasn't good for much beyond Mach 1.


That would make it a supersonic aircraft.


Yes strictly speaking I suppose it would however just barely.
Mach 1.3 or so?

Area ruling and an increase in power gave us the F-106, easily
capable of Mach 2.


The F-102A was area ruled.


Seems I had the development history confabulated with the
operational versions. Couldn't find the reference that talked
the development issues which (IIRC) included area ruling to
deal with unexpectedly high drag

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Old July 9th 04, 10:40 AM
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I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe
aircraft"! Were they really?


As Ed Rasimus has said: "Every time you kick the tires and light the
fire in a single-engine, single-seat Century Series jet, it can kill
you--all by itself without help from an enemy."
www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm

There is a page by Walt BJ (based on his posts on this newsgroup) at
http://www.warbirdforum.com/waltbj.htm


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Old July 9th 04, 03:34 PM
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 7/9/2004 10:13 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: Cub Driver

Date: 7/9/2004 2:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe
aircraft"! Were they really?


As Ed Rasimus has said: "Every time you kick the tires and light the
fire in a single-engine, single-seat Century Series jet, it can kill
you--all by itself without help from an enemy."


Ya know I really don't know what all the fuss was about here. I graduated from
college in 1968 in Arizona. I had always wanted to fly jets so from time to
time I applied for the AF Reserves and ANG prior to graduation and once they
found I was physically and mentally qualified to go to flight school, as well
as an engineer, I was informed they all had immediate vacancies. Ultimately I
went through AFROTC and went on to learn how to fly. Probably 5% or so of my
graduating class were ANG or AFR - I ended up taking an F-4. Slots coming down
to graduates included ADC F101s among other non SEA assignments. I had and
have no political pull whatever and I could have just as easily taken an
ANG/AFR slot prior to my college graduation so I don't feel Bush hard to try
very hard to get an F-102.

Even after I finished F-4 in 69 school several of us in my class ended up in
northern Japan instead of SEA including one guy who later became a backseat ace
after getting a SEA tour in 1972..

So please stop reading more into this than there probably was. Don't just
assume that because the guy got an ANG fighter slot and ddn't go to SEA, he
only did so because of his connections. Others were in the same boat through
no choice of their own.
 




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