Amphibious Planes

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:51:36 GMT, Mike wrote:

"Gezellig" wrote in message
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Who determines where you can or cannot land one?

Whoever owns the water.

Anyone have any experience in training and receiving their seaplane
certification?

On Sep 1, 2:36*pm, Gezellig wrote:
Who determines where you can or cannot land one?

Not only do you need to check for permission, more and more lakes are
begining to require inspections before putting anything in the water
(boats, jet skis, planes, etc). People are really afraid of this
mussle problem going around and are very, very afraid of boats, etc
spreading mussles from one lake to another. I no longer do much sea
plane flying but I'm assuming the lack of "clean" mogas is a hug
problem for them. We used to be able to taxi up to the dock and buy
gas. Today a lot of the auto gas contains illegal ethanol.

-Robert

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Sep 1, 2:36=A0pm, Gezellig wrote:
Who determines where you can or cannot land one?

Not only do you need to check for permission, more and more lakes are
begining to require inspections before putting anything in the water
(boats, jet skis, planes, etc). People are really afraid of this
mussle problem going around and are very, very afraid of boats, etc
spreading mussles from one lake to another. I no longer do much sea
plane flying but I'm assuming the lack of "clean" mogas is a hug
problem for them. We used to be able to taxi up to the dock and buy
gas. Today a lot of the auto gas contains illegal ethanol.

-Robert

The proliferation of jet skis has one positive side. Many marinas now
sell premium gas which is usually ethanol free. My plane is an
amphibian so I usually just buy 100LL at an airport. Saves the hassle
of checking every time.

"Gezellig" wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:16:16 GMT, Mike wrote:

How do you determine who does?

Most bigger lakes are going to be controlled by the state or by a local
water authority. The state would be a good place to check first.

Yeah, I'm in FL, we have private waters, submerged land leases (marinas,
boat docks, etc) and State-Owned (beaches). Will check FL. Private
waters I suppose would be trespassing.

Not necessarily. If the owner of a lake takes money or assistance from the
state, they may be bound to allow public access which may include landing an
amphib.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:37:44 GMT, Mike wrote:

"Gezellig" wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:16:16 GMT, Mike wrote:

How do you determine who does?

Most bigger lakes are going to be controlled by the state or by a local
water authority. The state would be a good place to check first.

Yeah, I'm in FL, we have private waters, submerged land leases (marinas,
boat docks, etc) and State-Owned (beaches). Will check FL. Private
waters I suppose would be trespassing.

Not necessarily. If the owner of a lake takes money or assistance from the
state, they may be bound to allow public access which may include landing an
amphib.

Yeah, good point, Mike. many do to stock fish, etc.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Robert M. Gary wrote:

On Sep 1, 2:36*pm, Gezellig wrote:
Who determines where you can or cannot land one?

Not only do you need to check for permission, more and more lakes are
begining to require inspections before putting anything in the water
(boats, jet skis, planes, etc). People are really afraid of this
mussle problem going around and are very, very afraid of boats, etc
spreading mussles from one lake to another. I no longer do much sea
plane flying but I'm assuming the lack of "clean" mogas is a hug
problem for them. We used to be able to taxi up to the dock and buy
gas. Today a lot of the auto gas contains illegal ethanol.

-Robert

The gas thing is a for sure, I wasn't aware of the mussels issue (FL not
sure we have one). Is it some kind of disease Xport?

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:23:47 GMT, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

The proliferation of jet skis has one positive side. Many marinas now
sell premium gas which is usually ethanol free. My plane is an
amphibian so I usually just buy 100LL at an airport. Saves the hassle
of checking every time.

Drew, are you more concerned with contamination at a boat dock mogas
facility than at the airport? I would although I am not sure I can
justify why.

"Gezellig" wrote in message
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FL here, ACoE, Water Management Districts, some FL DEP, State, it's a
mess.

What got me interested was a poster who was claiming he liked the Icon
A5 which is built around the corner from me.

http://www.iconaircraft.com/

The statement was he thought it would be neat to be able to fly from
lake to lake or whatever, the idea of freedom of access to many
waterbodies (the sports, shores, camping, etc). Sounded nice to me as
well but practical?

I don't know what the Corp's policy is today, but they do have regs that
forbid air delivery on Corp property and lakes, without a permit granted
days in advance. Unless it was an established seaplane base.

I have seen ultralights at the lakes on floats, but have no idea if any have
been stopped or fined.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:51:25 -0400, Gezellig
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:23:47 GMT, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

The proliferation of jet skis has one positive side. Many marinas now
sell premium gas which is usually ethanol free. My plane is an
amphibian so I usually just buy 100LL at an airport. Saves the hassle
of checking every time.

Drew, are you more concerned with contamination at a boat dock mogas
facility than at the airport? I would although I am not sure I can
justify why.

No I think there's nothing wrong with buying gas at a marina if it's
ethanol free. I have had trouble getting to the pumps at marinas for
some reason they think it's neccessary to put lampposts and mast
hoists right where I want my wing.

On Sep 2, 1:49*pm, Gezellig wrote:


The gas thing is a for sure, I wasn't aware of the mussels issue (FL not
sure we have one). Is it some kind of disease Xport?

Right now its a major issue in California. Apparently some mussels are
spreading across the South and have now taken up in SoCal. Many in
central/northern California are very worried about it. Some lakes just
have signs about avoiding certain lakes and not putting your boat in a
strange lake unless its been out of the water for 30 days. Some
places, like Clearlake, have made it a criminal offense to put
anything in the water that has not been issued an official seal by an
inspector.

http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Government/...Prevention.htm

-Robert