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London Blitz vs V1
In early December 1944, General Bissel produced a paper which argued
strongly in favour of the V1. The following is a table he produced Blitz (12 months) vs V1 flying bombs (2 3/4 months) ----------------------------------------------------- 1. Cost to Germany ............................Blitz................. ...V1 Sorties...................90,000.................8 025 Weight of bombs...........61,149 tons............14,600 tons Fuel consumed.............71,700 tons.............4681 tons Aircrafts lost............3075....................0 Men lost..................7690....................0 2 Results Houses damaged/destroyed...1,150,000............1,127,000 Casualties.................92,566...............22 ,892 Rate casualties/bombs tons...1.6...............4.2 3. Allied air effort Sorties......................86,800............44, 770 Planes lost..................1260...............351 Men lost.....................805...............2233 Any comments! -- What our descendants think of us and our ancestors will depend on what we do now! 23th saying of Bernard |
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...........................Blitz................. ...V1 Sorties...................90,000................. 8025 Weight of bombs...........61,149 tons............14,600 tons Fuel consumed.............71,700 tons.............4681 tons Aircrafts lost............3075....................0 Shouldn't that be 8025 aircraft lost? all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Cub Driver wrote:
snip Shouldn't that be 8025 aircraft lost? Given the cost of the things probably not, IIRC UK manufacturing cost was estimated at less than UKP 100 when a Spit was over 10K. Also the germans did have some small losses due to air raids and more in accidents with with the things -- regards jc |
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Bernardz wrote in message news:MPG.1a593408a1392c869897ea@news...
In early December 1944, General Bissel produced a paper which argued strongly in favour of the V1. The following is a table he produced Blitz (12 months) vs V1 flying bombs (2 3/4 months) ----------------------------------------------------- 1. Cost to Germany ...........................Blitz.................. ..V1 Sorties...................90,000.................8 025 Weight of bombs...........61,149 tons............14,600 tons Fuel consumed.............71,700 tons.............4681 tons Aircrafts lost............3075....................0 Men lost..................7690....................0 2 Results Houses damaged/destroyed...1,150,000............1,127,000 Casualties.................92,566...............22 ,892 Rate casualties/bombs tons...1.6...............4.2 3. Allied air effort Sorties......................86,800............44, 770 Planes lost..................1260...............351 Men lost.....................805...............2233 For the cost of 1 uncrewed, unrefuelled and unbombladen Lancaster the Germans were getting more than 300 V1s. Furthermore they made little demand on skilled labour or strategic materials. On the negative side they had all the inherent problems of a fairly slow unaimed weapon. Of around 10000 launched at Britain only about 2400 reached the vague proximity of their target area. And many fell fairly harmlessly - aided by British manipulation of intelligence. But as an economic weapon they made much sense and if they had arrived on the scene some months earlier in far greater numbers, when proximity fuzed, radar guided AA was not yet available they would undoubtedly have had a proportionately much larger effect on the prosecution of the war. Thanks to Hitler's intervention this did not happen. Eugene Griessel |
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Bernardz wrote in message news:MPG.1a593408a1392c869897ea@news...
In early December 1944, General Bissel produced a paper which argued strongly in favour of the V1. The following is a table he produced Blitz (12 months) vs V1 flying bombs (2 3/4 months) ----------------------------------------------------- 1. Cost to Germany ...........................Blitz.................. ..V1 Sorties...................90,000.................8 025 (error: 8892) Weight of bombs...........61,149 tons............14,600 tons Fuel consumed.............71,700 tons.............4681 tons Aircrafts lost............3075....................0 (error: 80, from air launches) Men lost..................7690....................0 2 Results Houses damaged/destroyed...1,150,000............1,127,000 Casualties.................92,566...............22 ,892 (error: figure is dead plus wounded, based on 6,184 dead/correction to 12,000 dead= close to 29,000 total) Rate casualties/bombs tons...1.6...............4.2 3. Allied air effort Sorties......................86,800............44, 770 Planes lost..................1260...............351 Men lost.....................805...............2233 Any comments! 34,000 V-1s were produced by Fiesler, Volkswagen, and the Mittelwerke. Unit cost was RM 5000. Of all those produced only around 5000 found their targets in the UK and Belgium. That makes it 20% effective of those launched, the remaining number found stockpiled. It was a cost effective weapon compared to a Mark IV tank (RM 100,000) but militarily of little value. As a psychological/nuisance weapon it did well but did not in any way deter the Allies from bombing Germany and grabbing land. The Germans would have done better to replace the amatol warhead with a radiological warhead. London and Antwerp would have then been contaminated and abandoned. Rob |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:08:29 +1100, John Campbell
wrote: Given the cost of the things probably not, IIRC UK manufacturing cost was estimated at less than UKP 100 when a Spit was over 10K. The V-1 cost a hundred quid? You could get five V-1s for the price of a Piper Cub? That would be the all-time bargain in terror weapons. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... The Allies weren't completely ignorant on the dangers of fission material. The US constructed a giant collector called the "Dumbo" to collect plutonium debris in case the test A-bomb blew up in NM. I think "Dumbo" still survives. If NYC was hit similar large Dumbo-type containers would have been used to collect the debris and the radiation levels would have been studied. Jumbo wasn't designed for collecting debris. It was a huge 200 ton pressure vessel. The bomb was to be put inside prior to the test, if the silly thing fizzled the pressure vessel was to prevent anything from getting out. Moving a tub that big through a population site gathering up bits and pieces would have caused even more contamination. Better a group of trained people with man-portable gear. |
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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
The V-1 cost a hundred quid? You could get five V-1s for the price of a Piper Cub? That would be the all-time bargain in terror weapons. A British commission (RAE) just after WW2 concluded that the cost of a V1, fuelled and armed (including the 200 pounds of Hydrogen Peroxide needed for the launch) came to about 115 pounds. But that figure also included a percentage of R&D and the cost of building Peenemunde. They concluded that the raw cost of materials and manufacture was around 87 pounds sterling. The average price the German government was billed by the Volkswagen Fallersleben plant came to around 125 quid. |
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Afternoon all,
I've been trying to do a little research on this General Bissel and his paper on the V1 attacks, I have to admit defeat so-far. Does anyone have any information on him? I take it this is not the American General because the name is incorrect and he would have had his hands full out in the Asian Theater at the time. There are a few things I don't get with these figure either, the numbers I get from British sites claim only over 1000 homes destroyed, a difference of over a multiple of a thousand! I also don't get the 351 planes and 2233 crew lost by the allies in defense. Lost how? Other than getting too close when shooting a ton of explosives (weekend-spoiler) what was the problem? 351 planes lost in 2 1/2 months is either a nutty misprint or criminal negligence. Anyone have a contact or copy of the original report? In early December 1944, General Bissel produced a paper which argued strongly in favour of the V1. The following is a table he produced Blitz (12 months) vs V1 flying bombs (2 3/4 months) ----------------------------------------------------- 1. Cost to Germany ...........................Blitz.................. ..V1 Sorties...................90,000.................8 025 Weight of bombs...........61,149 tons............14,600 tons Fuel consumed.............71,700 tons.............4681 tons Aircrafts lost............3075....................0 Men lost..................7690....................0 2 Results Houses damaged/destroyed...1,150,000............1,127,000 Casualties.................92,566...............22 ,892 Rate casualties/bombs tons...1.6...............4.2 3. Allied air effort Sorties......................86,800............44, 770 Planes lost..................1260...............351 Men lost.....................805...............2233 |
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In article , Eugene
Griessel writes Cub Driver wrote in message news:4j8uuv4648rrmgp ... The V-1 cost a hundred quid? You could get five V-1s for the price of a Piper Cub? That would be the all-time bargain in terror weapons. A British commission (RAE) just after WW2 concluded that the cost of a V1, fuelled and armed (including the 200 pounds of Hydrogen Peroxide needed for the launch) came to about 115 pounds. But that figure also included a percentage of R&D and the cost of building Peenemunde. They concluded that the raw cost of materials and manufacture was around 87 pounds sterling. The average price the German government was billed by the Volkswagen Fallersleben plant came to around 125 quid. Astonishingly low materials cost - and I guess that the workers were not paid union rates... When the first couple of V1s fell on Britain on the 16th of July, the immediate reaction of the authorities was: 1. These items must be costly to built - the Germans really have taken a wrong turning here. 2. We don't know how they are guided - but in case they happen to home in on radio signals, perhaps we'd better stop the BBC from transmitting when we detect some incoming... Cheers, Dave -- Dave Eadsforth |
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