Unruly Passengers

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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An interesting point, but if you do not support the suicide's family and
educate his children, then the suicide himself has decided to doom his
family to poverty or even death. I don't think he has the right to do that
in a free society.


I might choose to assist the suicide's family. That's charity, and
altogether different from being forced to support them.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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And if a suicide imposes these problems on them, then they are not
living in a free society, either.


How so? If the suicide had not killed himself, but just abandoned them
instead, would their problems be any different?

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Remember the good old days, when it was the Republicans who
thought that the government shouldn't make laws taking away your
right to do something unless it harmed others?


Well, since that's pretty much still the case, yes, I do remember it.

"C J Campbell" writes:

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.

This is typical Liberal BS. When I hear someone else tell me how they
are entitled to control my life I see red.

When somebody commits suicide they are in fact attempting to control your
life. They want you to pay for their problems, raise their kids, pay their
medical bills, etc.

One of the common causes of suicide is a terminal medical condition;
suicide in that situation *reduces* medical bills. Kids can be an
issue, and the spouse (who gets stuck with the kids by default) is
often the big loser.

You know, it really amuses me the way some people in this group think I am
an extreme liberal and the others think I am a right wing lunatic. If it
helps you to ignore people by putting labels on them and filing them away,
be my guest. But that does not make the problem go away.

Are you really suggesting that some kid should be allowed to hang himself
because he got a D on his chemistry test -- that he has some kind of right
to do that without interference? If not, at what point do you think the
decision to kill yourself should be left to the individual?

Yes. I think it's a *terribly* bad decision, but the whole point of
personal sovereignty is that we don't get to make private decisions
for other people. I think the kid should be encouraged to seek
counseling, his friends should be encouraged to call the counselors on
his behalf even. But in the end when it comes down to "allowing" or
"preventing", it's his choice.
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"SelwayKid" wrote in message
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What would you do if your passengers lit up their marijuana in the
back of a twin?


I'd inform them smoking is not allowed aboard my aircraft.

What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?


Tell him it's a bad idea.

Unless he plans to smoke. I taught at one FBO that had a sign on
the panel that said, "Please step outside if you wish to smoke".


-Robert, CFI

Thanks for the explanations. Food for thought if we get into a similar
situations. (Although, I doubt that any of my pax will be hitting the
bar in the 172.)


SelwayKid wrote:
(SelwayKid) wrote in message om...

How would you handle a situation where a paying passenger began to
manhandle the controls?
What would you do if a passenger keeps interrupting you during a
single pilot IFR approach into a very busy airport?
What would you do if your passengers lit up their marijuana in the
back of a twin?
What would you do if the passenger was so big they kept getting in the
way of control travel?
What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?
These are all real and all have happened to me in my 45 years of
flying. A lot more that I can't think of at the moment.
A pilot was recently faced with it when an 84 year old man decided to
unstrap and get out of the front cockpit of a biplane and plunged to
his death. The pilot was unable to stop him.
What would you do?


Well Boys N Girls
What I did was.... the pax who tried to wrestle the controls from me
did get himself smacked with the fire X that I grabbed from behind the
seat. It dazed him enough that I was able to get the airplane on the
ground. I expected a fight from him but he just rubbed his head where
I hit him and kind of stupid asked me.."Why'd y'all do theyat?"
The pax who kept kibitzing during the IFR approach was the boss in the
rear facing seat directly behind me in a Merlin II. I finally told him
to shut up or I'd declare a missed approach, take it back up to
altitude and beat **** out of him and then quit. He shut up and didn't
speak to me for a week - because he was headed for Europe after I
dropped him off at LAX. When he got back he apologized to me for the
problem and said it would never happen again - and it didn't.
When my pax lit their joints on a charter from VNY to LAS, I began to
roll the airplane, a KA90, from side to side and kept increasing the
angle of bank. The guy who asked to sit in the right seat asked me
what in hell I was doing and I told him, "Man I just LUUUUUUVVVVV that
good ****...!" He screamed back to the rear pax to put out their
joints because the pilot was getting stoned!
The big guy pax was a former race pilot who had kind of slid forward
to get comfortable and we didn't notice it until I began to flare in
the Hiller UH12E helicopter behind another helicopter on the ground.
When I realized I was running out of cyclic, I did a go around. My pax
immediately recognized the problem and began pushing himself farther
back in the seat. We did a safe landing and had a good laugh over it.
An unruly pax who was a heavyweight customer of the corporation I flew
for had been into the bar in back pretty heavy. He came forward
demanding that I get him some more scotch. When I told him the bar was
closed he got nasty and said he'd get me fired, etc, etc, (yawn) and
headed back to get off the airplane at FL250. I immediately
depressurized the cabin and he barely made it to a seat before he
passed out into a blissful sleep. When I knew he was out I ran cabin
pressure back down but he stayed asleep the rest of the flight. My
boss thought that was the neatest trick he ever heard of and asked why
I didn't do the same thing to him when he got out of line!
The only pax who scared me was a woman who undid her seat belt in a
Hiller 12E to crawl across top of me and get in the seat away from the
open door because it ruffled her hair! That was a lesson I'll never
forget! She was an absolute crazy woman.
Selway Kid


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Dan Truesdell wrote:

Thanks for the explanations. Food for thought if we get into a similar
situations. (Although, I doubt that any of my pax will be hitting the
bar in the 172.)

and I sure won't be knocking anyone out by reducing cabin pressure in the Maule.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.

This is typical Liberal BS.

I think the conservatives are far more intrusive in people's lives.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Agreed...vehemently. (Though the points made about falling hazards,
etc.,
are quite legitimate. His life is his own, but go quietly into that long
good-night..)

Baloney. No one's life is their own,

Then whose is it?


nor is anyone an island to themselves.
No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others. (Well, maybe Saddam Hussein could.)

Nice barf on co-dependency.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.


In a free society one's life is their own.

And in a proper family setting as well. (Having watched a parent take a year
to die from a brain tumor, I think I can claim a bit of experinces on that.)




No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others.


Irrelevant.

Quite.