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NATCA Going Down in Flames
"bdl" wrote in message oups.com... I don't. I was alluding to controllers. So it's just a guess on your part. It's not on mine. I do work on the radio. I am a controller. I find I perform better when I'm comfortable and I'm more comfortable working in a glass box on a sunny summer day when I'm wearing a nice pair of shorts. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: I would suggest they get sleep before coming into work. What if they do and they're drowsy anyway? What is the penalty for showing up for your shift incapacitated? Utilizing the sick policy if they don't. That's not permitted. Really? What constitutes sick then? Do you have to have a doctor's note? Does a headache count? From articles I read, NY controllers were using the sick policy to a great extent so obviously some people are incapacitated enough to not show up for their shift. Maybe. But what is the problem with napping while on a break anyway? The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: So it's just a guess on your part. It's not on mine. I do work on the radio. I am a controller. I find I perform better when I'm comfortable and I'm more comfortable working in a glass box on a sunny summer day when I'm wearing a nice pair of shorts. Sounds like we need to fix the A/C. |
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"bdl" wrote in message ps.com... What is the penalty for showing up for your shift incapacitated? Unrelated to the topic. Really? Really. The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden. True, but not an answer to the question. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: Really. You didn't answer the second part. What does constitute sick? The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden. True, but not an answer to the question. Yes it is. |
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"bdl" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like we need to fix the A/C. It's not broken, it's just not up to the task. Should we spend your tax dollars to upgrade it so that controllers can be comfortable and efficient while wearing pants or should we just allow them to dress comfortably under the present conditions? |
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"bdl" wrote in message ps.com... You didn't answer the second part. What does constitute sick? Did I really need to? You don't understand the word "sick"? Yes it is. No it isn't. An answer would be the reason for the new policy. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "bdl" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like we need to fix the A/C. It's not broken, it's just not up to the task. Should we spend your tax dollars to upgrade it so that controllers can be comfortable and efficient while wearing pants or should we just allow them to dress comfortably under the present conditions? Do you wear shorts in the winter? |
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NATCA Going Down in Flames
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:00:50 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in . net: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . Well, I believe Boeing and LocMart have already developed (and deployed) modern ATC systems (probably superior to the existing FAA stuff), so modernization could be much more rapid than if the FAA developed and implemented something similar. What have they developed and deployed? From Boeing's web site http://www.boeing.com/phantom/ast/atm.html, I was unable to find mention of their having deployed anything yet, but you are welcome to research it. I know Lockheed Martin built Common ARTS under an FAA contract, It looks like LocMart did that in 2001 or befo http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...&ti=0&sc =400 LOCKHEED MARTIN CONTINUES SUCCESSFUL COMMON ARTS INSTALLATIONS ROCKVILLE, MD, December 3, 2001 -- Lockheed Martin Air Traffic Management completed its 138th consecutive on- or ahead-of-schedule installation of the world's most advanced terminal air traffic control system with activation of its Common Automated Radar Terminal System (ARTS) at the FAA's facility in Minneapolis, Minnesota ... http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...&ti=0&sc =400 LOCKHEED MARTIN CONTINUES SUCCESSFUL COMMON ARTS INSTALLATIONS ROCKVILLE, MD, May 14, 2001 -- The world's most advanced terminal air traffic control system is in service at the nation's busiest hub airport. Lockheed Martin Air Traffic Management announced today that its Common Automated Radar Terminal System (ARTS) is operational at the FAA's new state-of-the-art Air Traffic Control facility in Atlanta, Ga. The new Atlanta Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) facility went into service at 4:35 a.m., April 7, and was fully commissioned less than 72 hours later on April 10. "As the terminal automation and display system provider, we salute the FAA's achievement," says Don Antonucci, president, Lockheed Martin Air Traffic Management. "The FAA professionals in the Southern Region transitioned the nation's busiest hub airport from the Hartsfield TRACON to the new Atlanta TRACON without any degradation in air traffic control systems or services. We salute their fine work and we're equally proud that this installation continues Lockheed Martin's unbroken record of on-time and on-budget performance on Common ARTS." Here 're LocMart's ATC products: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...i=13214&sc=400 And a few actual deployments: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...&t i=0&sc=400 Taiwan Air Traffic Control Automation System ATCAS DESCRIPTION: This system was commissioned into full operational service in July 1996. It provides fully integrated, around-the-clock en route, terminal and tower automation functions at Taiwan's four busiest air traffic control centers. The Taiwan Air Traffic Control Automation System (ATCAS) is based on proven U.S. and U.K. systems, which were modified to take advantage of the latest air traffic control display technology, and customized for the Taiwan CAA's unique requirements. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...&ti= 0&sc=400 New Zealand Air Traffic Control System DESCRIPTION: Under a 10-year partnership agreement with Airways New Zealand, Lockheed Martin replaced the current New Zealand air traffic control system with its SkyLine® ATM product and established a technology center of excellence, providing an Asia/Pacific software development and operational testing center in Christchurch, New Zealand. In addition, the partners agreed to jointly pursue global opportunities in airspace management and communications, Navigation and Surveillance/Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) technology modernization. The partnership agreement was signed in May 2000. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...&ti= 0&sc=400 Nanchang and Hangzhou Automation Systems DESCRIPTION: Lockheed Martin is responsible for two new terminal approach control systems installed for the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) at the new Changbei Airport in Nanchang, in the People's Republic of China. The contract, which was awarded to Lockheed Martin in April 1999, was for two air traffic control automation systems - one, to be installed at the new Changbei Airport in Nanchang, and a second to be installed at the new Xiaoshan Airport in Hangzhou. The Hangzhou system will undergo integration and acceptance tests in July 2000, when the new ATC facility is completed. The two systems are based on Lockheed Martin's SkyLine® family of ATC systems. And Raytheon is deploying STARS: http://www.raytheon.com/products/stars_faa/ http://www.raytheon.com/products/ste...s01_052895.pdf The STARS system is more reliable than the ARTS system, which has no backup. STARS is composed of two separate, fully redundant automation systems that are running in parallel, eliminating common-mode failures and providing controllers with instantaneous backup service. The FSL (Full Service Level) system is based on Raytheon’s AutoTrac air traffic management system while the ESL (Emergency Service Level) is based on Raytheon’s TracView automation product. Both of these air traffic management products are in use today by civil aviation agencies throughout the world, including Amsterdam and Frankfurt, two of the largest terminal area control facilities in the world. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/9_24.../185159-1.html June 12, 2003 STAR Light, STAR Bright By Arturo Weiss, Newswriter FAA Commissions STARS In Philly... On Monday, air traffic controllers in Philadelphia officially began "STARS gazing." That's when the FAA commissioned the Raytheon-built Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS) ... But the IG finds fault with FAA: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/9_27.../185255-1.html and I'm aware that Boeing has proposed new systems but I'm unaware of anything they've got operating in the field. I wasn't able to find any reference to actual Air Traffic Management deployments on Boeing's web site. You may be correct about the ultimate cost, but initially the contractor would have to propose something reasonably priced to win the bidding competition. Why would privatization require any new equipment? Here's what Boeing is proposing: http://www.boeing.com/phantom/ast/atm_product.html It looks like it will be satellite based. http://www.boeing.com/phantom/ast/61605_06FutureNow.pdf As the world’s largest aerospace company Boeing is committed to ensuring continued growth of aviation and is developing and testing advanced concepts to help transform the air traffic management (ATM) system. The accompanying diagram depicts the future ATM system and Boeing’s key initiatives to achieve that goal. That's got to be a significant cost. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: Did I really need to? You don't understand the word "sick"? Yes, you do, since you said that incapacitation do to drowsiness was not an acceptable excuse for sick leave. Yes it is. No it isn't. An answer would be the reason for the new policy. They provided it. They felt that controllers could be groggy coming out of their nap onto their shift. It doesn't matter what their reason is though. They set the rules. Why are you so anti-authority? |
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