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Brian wrote :
Where are the claimed weapons of Mass Destruction the Iraqi's supposedly had???? There : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3144980.stm |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:09:24 GMT, "Brian"
wrote: Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too? France is an enemy nation. Al Minyard |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:47:24 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote: "Ragnar" wrote in message link.net... "Brian" wrote in message . net... Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too? And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1. How many battles has the Le Clerc been in? France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course of action. Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in just enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any work. Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had withdrawn France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France needed to be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been unable to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign (to them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They remained out of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s, although I am not sure of that date or time period. George Z. No, they only pulled out of the security accords, they stayed in NATO as a hanger on. They only rejoined the security accords when it became clear that the US had won the cold war. Al Minyard |
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Not intelligently, no.
-- Brian - harpoon at thegrafixguy dot com "C Knowles" wrote in message news Ever get your question answered? "Brian" wrote in message news:Bz6db.436620$Oz4.244338@rwcrnsc54... Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and number carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport? Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance Brian |
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Peter Kemp peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom wrote in message
... To be fair the weapons used were not the *deterrent*. That arrived once they had a significant number of them and they weren't all scheduled for use. Peter Kemp I'm sure that fine distinction is very important, in your mind. -- Scott -------- "Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq, there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm |
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Skysurfer wrote in message
. 0.138... tscottme wrote : 3,000 dead from an unforeseen sneak attack versus 15,000 dead from summer heat. Which one sounds like a real condemnation of a government? I remind you Paris is at 49° of latitude and New-York at 40° of latitude. Highest temperature was 42°C (i.e. 108°F). I'd say losing 400 valuable troops to destroy the Taliban and Saddam sounds like a trade worth making. France looses more than that to soccer riots. I thought France was in the fight against terrorism in Afghanistan ... The real question will be who will be the first French leader to propose surrender to the Arab League. You should look at the Finsburry Park Mosque in London ... In backward America we have these super-secret government agents called "weather forecasters" that spy on the enemy. We use an antiquated device called "air conditioner" and survive 120 degree weather in large parts of the country. In France they convince themselves nothing unpleasant will happen and then surrender 15,000 victims. Typical, wouldn't you say? Tell me, if France doesn't contribute to fighting terrorism how is anyone to notice. I'm sure the French think their token contribution is the key to everything, it isn't. -- Scott -------- "Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq, there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm |
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
... On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:09:24 GMT, "Brian" wrote: Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too? France is an enemy nation. Al Minyard Not for the terrorists. -- Scott -------- "Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq, there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm |
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Brian wrote in message
et... Scott, ASSuming again - I am not French, only interested in a particular French built aircraft and its airlift capabilities. I am an American by birth, served my time in the US Army in the late 80s. I served to protect your rights and my rights to stand up for the USA or put her in her place - whatever views we have - we have the right to them whether we agree or not - at least we agree to disagree. In regards to your statement of the Afghani's and Iraqi's being grateful - some yes, but not all - on Nightline Thursday night, an Iraqi said "at least under Saddam the electricity was on... things were better under Saddam." I am not saying Saddam was man of the year material or even a nice person, however, the made up lies of Bush and Blair (six months later and no WMDs) was no reason to invade the country. The lies are leading many to believe that the attack on Iraq was nothing more than revenge for embarrassing daddy Bush and/or control of the oil interests in Iraq to counter OPEC. American wanna drive and any prez who can provide cheap fuel is going to gain points. Now in regards to Afghanistan, the Taliban (the leadership in power at the time) made a choice not to surrender Osama - I do not feel bad for them. Hide a criminal and you get cast in the same lot as an accessory. While I do not agree with Osama's choice of target (personally, I would have chosen the Capitol Building or White House or even a large refinery), I can understand their methods. How else do you fight a giant? You can't trade punches in a traditional battlefied sense and expect to win. That has been proven twice in Iraq. Events in Somalia, Vietnam, Beruit and our responses as a country have shown the American's weak link (public opinion) make it bloody enough and drawn out and despite the revenge hawks, the majority will clamor for the US to pull out - and we usually do. Leaving behind a nice void to be filled by whomever has the biggest arsenal in the region. The development of the terrorist (aka. Partisan (if this were WW II and being conducted against German occupying forces), mujahadeen (if they were fighting against the Red menace), or VC (if they are fighting for a belief other than the mighty dollar or the Red White and Blue capitalistic Democracy)) is completely dependant upon what the US leadership has in its mind - both the Taliban and Saddam were US allies when the Russians or Iranians were a concern. Now that the Cold War is over, US abandoned their friends as they were the unclean masses used only as cannon fodder when needed. The US Government, in its infinite wisdom, by following the US foreign policies determined by the presidents after WWII created 95% of the hatred felt worldwide against the US. The US did not support Israel until AFTER the Soviets started supporting the Arab states - Remember the 56 war? Only US weapons in use by the Israeli's were stuff bought from Europe (mostly WWII surplus). It wasn't until the sixties that the US sent billions in weapons to counter the Red menace. The Marshall Plan after WWII was only issued to the chosen countries who agreed to kiss the ass of the USA in return for the rebuilding assistance - did Yugoslavia or Albania recieve any aid form the US - Nope not a dime. (Yugoslavia only got a little assistance in the fifties as an attempt to swing them to the west). There are several examples of the US can do that but no one else can since the the end of WWII - it is this attitude and the RAPE of foriegn markets to make the little guy dependant on the US that has caused so much hatred world wide as well as disgust among our own close allies. Some day, some one will come around and gather enough forces to kick the knees out from under the US so that she does land hard on her ass and possibly knock some sense into the country as a whole. America is not ALL THAT. There are better places in the world - some with higher taxes but more personal freedoms, others with better economies, others with better health care, others with better eduction, others with a lower crime rate. Yes, on the other hand, there are more places that are worse than America - N. Korea, Mexico, Haiti, Dominican Republic and so on. America's greatness is only military any more - hell we don't even follow the Statue of Liberty any more - "Give us your weak" - talk about hypocracy! Well enough of the rant Brian - harpoon at thegrafixguy dot com So unanimous agreement among the civilian population is your standard for success? How Hitlerian of you. If only you and the other flaming Leftists could get as worked up about those attacking the US as you do about those defending it, we might actually accomplish something. You and I know that'll never happen. You should be smart enough to go to these much better places. Wouldn't it be easier for you to leave than to turn the most successful country into a middling failure like the places you prefer. Typical socialist, your preferences are more important than all others. Are you sure you're not French? Your arrogance says otherwise. -- Scott -------- "Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq, there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm |
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
... No, they only pulled out of the security accords, they stayed in NATO as a hanger on. They only rejoined the security accords when it became clear that the US had won the cold war. Al Minyard That's what NATO always needed, more freeloaders. NATO appears to be a military Ponzi scheme. -- Scott -------- "Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq, there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm |
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tscottme wrote :
In backward America we have these super-secret government agents called "weather forecasters" that spy on the enemy. We use an antiquated device called "air conditioner" and survive 120 degree weather in large parts of the country. Can't you read ? Most of the death occured in northern France. Have you seen the latitude of Paris compared to New York ? What if there were a snow storm in Miami ?? Tell me, if France doesn't contribute to fighting terrorism how is anyone to notice. Can't you read ? There are french soldiers in Afghanistan. |
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