Jeppesen Garmin Nav Updates

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Just because you use "certified" software doesn't mean it's the best
software out there.

Perhaps not. But, at least it's been validated as airworthy.

On Oct 17, 7:54*am, Sam Spade wrote:
wrote:
Just because you use "certified" software doesn't mean it's the best
software out there.

Perhaps not. *But, at least it's been validated as airworthy.

Since when is software validated as airworthy?

Can you show me what the FAA standards are to make it "airworthy?

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On Oct 17, 7:54 am, Sam Spade wrote:

wrote:

Just because you use "certified" software doesn't mean it's the best
software out there.

Perhaps not. But, at least it's been validated as airworthy.


Since when is software validated as airworthy?

Can you show me what the FAA standards are to make it "airworthy?

You obviously want an argument, not a discussion.

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On Oct 15, 11:05 pm, Blanche wrote:

The argument electronic v paper is irrelevant.


Actually it is relevant with regards to expense. If I want to just do
local approaches in MS for this month, I can purchase a book of plates
for less then 10.00 (I think that's the going price for NACO, Jeppeson
is higher I think). That book is certified just as accurate as the
electronic version. Takes the same amount of people and labor. I
don't use Jeppeson, but they do issue paper charts. Trip to Ohio for
NACO plates probably would have costed about 50 to 75 dollars. I
don't know the Jeppeson cost, but I am sure it's higher.

I can't pick and choose what I want or need on a month to month basis
for the Garmin 430 card. The cost for the electronic version isn't
justifiable IN MY EYES compared to the paper product.

You should take up a different hobby.

In article ,
lid says...


That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH
tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all
route and approach charts.

A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages.

Because I told speak Fin I don't know what that is all about. If the
data are current that are the exception. And, I don't need to learn
seversl chart formats to fly internationally.


Please read again: CLICK THE IN ENGLISH TAB, and try again.

There is an ICAO standard format for the charts,
which our AIS follows to the letter.

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It may not be that simple. US users are familiar with the TERPS
presentation, which is not used in most of Europe. Pans-Ops is similar, but
does require some further study to interpret all the details correctly.
Jeppesen regroups the information in a familiar way in all countries, and
this can be a real help, rather than having to learn new charting
conventions every hal-hour as you cross from one smallish country to the
next.

By curiosity, do you have a similar link for the Latvian and Lithuanian
charts, in English?
Cheers

Tauno Voipio

On Oct 17, 9:06*am, Sam Spade wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:54 am, Sam Spade wrote:

wrote:

Just because you use "certified" software doesn't mean it's the best
software out there.

Perhaps not. *But, at least it's been validated as airworthy.

Since when is software validated as airworthy?

Can you show me what the FAA standards are to make it "airworthy?

You obviously want an argument, not a discussion.

No, you claim there is some certification process for software for it
to be airworthy. If there is such a thing, you should be ready to back
up what you post.

Otherwise, what you say about it being validated as airworthy has no
foundation.

On Oct 17, 9:06*am, Sam Spade wrote:

You should take up a different hobby.

Why? Just because you think flying expenses are reasonable doesn't
prohibit me from commenting about how ridiculous the aviation
community is being gouged.

In article ,
Blanche wrote:

And every time Jepp gets a new release of data, it has to be validated and
verified before it's put into the database. That's both a manual and
automated process. There's lots of people involved checking the data.

I don't understand this. Doesn't Jepp get their data from the FAA?
Isn't the underlying data already V&V'd by the time Jepp gets it?

Actually, does anyone here know the actual process by which approach
plates are generated? I can get approach plates in electronic form
(PDF) for free from the FAA. How are these plates produced? I presume
they are not hand-drawn, that they are automatically generated from some
underlying data, which would be the same underlying data that Jepp uses
to produce its plates, and so there's no reason this couldn't be a
completely automated process. It seems to me that all Jepp is doing is
reformatting data that is already in the public domain, in which case it
isn't really worth that much of a premium. But if this is true, why
hasn't a competitor stepped up to the plate (so to speak)?

rg

VOR-DME wrote:
In article ,
lid says...


That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH
tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all
route and approach charts.

A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages.

Because I told speak Fin I don't know what that is all about. If the
data are current that are the exception. And, I don't need to learn
seversl chart formats to fly internationally.

Please read again: CLICK THE IN ENGLISH TAB, and try again.

There is an ICAO standard format for the charts,
which our AIS follows to the letter.

--

It may not be that simple. US users are familiar with the TERPS
presentation, which is not used in most of Europe. Pans-Ops is similar, but
does require some further study to interpret all the details correctly.
Jeppesen regroups the information in a familiar way in all countries, and
this can be a real help, rather than having to learn new charting
conventions every hal-hour as you cross from one smallish country to the
next.

By curiosity, do you have a similar link for the Latvian and Lithuanian
charts, in English?

Hello,

Sorry - I have not needed to go so far away without
the built-in Jeppesen in G1000 of our DA-42. (Actually
it's not very far - the Latvian border is about an hour's
flight from my home base, EFHF, Helsinki-Malmi.)

Also, the international cooperation in my work has been
principally limited to Estonia in the southerly direction.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:54 am, Sam Spade wrote:
wrote:
Just because you use "certified" software doesn't mean it's the best
software out there.
Perhaps not. But, at least it's been validated as airworthy.

Since when is software validated as airworthy?

Can you show me what the FAA standards are to make it "airworthy?

Fair question, as it seems to me. The FAA certifies domestic approaches
by flying them. FAA charts have data tables which depend on surveys.

The military flies hi dollar heavies on the charts and navaids contained
in DAFIF. (from the defense agency charting service...)
But DAFIF has mistakes. They are corrected as they are found.

Brian W