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Vietnam, any US planes lost in China ?
Were there ever any United States combat planes lost in China during
the Vietnam war ? Some of our planes must have flown close enough to China that they may have possibly had to crash there. |
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Dear Mike,
Here's one. On September 20, 1965, USAF Captain Philip E. Smith, 436 TFS, 479 TFW (attached to 6252 TFW) Da Nang, flying an F-104C 56-0883, strayed off course from a combat air patrol over the Gulf of Tonkin following an instrument failure. He was shot down over China by Chinese MiG-19s and captured. The incident is told in "Journey Into Darkness" by Col. Philip E. Smith & Peggy Hertz Hope this is of some help Regards Mike Bennett (Project: Get Out and Walk) |
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Mike
blurted out: Some of our planes must have flown close enough to China that they may have possibly had to crash there. Ed's been there...and didn't crash. Juvat |
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Dear Sparky,
Two USN A-6A Intruders from VA-196A off USS Constellation were reported shot down by Chinese MiG-19 aircraft when they inadvertently crossed into Chinese airspace on 21 August, 1967 A-6A buno 152627 Crew: Lt(jg) Dain Vanderlin Scott (KIA) Lt(jg) Forrest George Trembley (KIA) A-6A buno 152625 Crew: Lt. Cdr Jimmy Lee Buckley (KIA) Lt. Robert James Flynn (POW) (Ejected) However Lt. Flynn who was injured during his ejection contradicts this version of events and states that he was shot down over North Vietnam and taken to China. Suggest you look at the following POW web page http://www.scopesys.com/cgi/bio2.cgi?bio=F049 Also go to the search page http://www.scopesys.com/powmia/powsearch.html and in the Country of Loss box click on China from the drop down list. When the list of Blue names appears click on each one individually to get to their biography. Hope this helps Regards Mike Bennett (Project: Get Out and Walk) |
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In addition to several incidents in which the Chinese fighters were
intercepting mainly USN aircraft passing by the Hainan Island, between 1968 and 1970 the 100th TRW USAF intensively operated also BQM-34 reconnaissance drones over Chinese mainland and North Vietnam. Dozens of these were shot down by Chinese and Vietnamese air defences: mostly SAM&AAA, but few also by Chinese and Vietnamese MiGs (in turn the BQM-34s have caused a loss of up to a dozen of MiGs: there is a story that one of the drones even became the first US "ace" in SEA - after causing a loss of five Vietnamese MiG-17s and MiG-21s, in early 1970). Interestingly, the Chinese developed a whole family of UAVs on the basis of the wreckage of US BQM-34s, starting with air-launched Chang Hing ("Long Rainbow", originally air-launched from a Tu-4 bomber - the Soviet copy of the B-29), developed by the Beijing Technical Institute and carried by specially equipped Y-8E transports. Even the newest Chinese Chong Hong UAV, the model of which was shown two years back on the Air Show in Zhuhai, is clearly showing the resemblance to the AQM-34N. Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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Take a look at: http://home.sprynet.com/~anneled/usloss.html
Any loss where the "country" reads "PR China" was shot down by Chinese forces, mostly likely over Chinese territory. |
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Dear Ed,
Great to have a reply from you. Yes I agree - there's China and there's China. Can't disagree with your location of the shootdowns. Here is the very rough list of "US planes lost in China" allowing for the wider definition Chinese territory. BTW as part of my project to list all known ejections world wide I've (not surprisingly) never received any replies from the Chinese authorities about ejections from their own aircraft nor about aircraft shot down by Chinese pilots. I hope the following is of some use to the gentleman who asked the original question - sources are, "Journey into Darkness" by Col. Philip E. Smith and Peggy Herz; the POW Network SCOPE Datatbase; "Vietnam Air Losses" by Chris Hobson and "Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club" by Rene Francillon. 09 April 1965 F-4B 151425 VF-96 - USS Ranger Ensign Ronald J. Fegan (K/BNR) Lt(jg). Terence M. Murphy (K/BNR) 20 September 1965 Capt. Phillip E. Smith (POW) F-104C 56-0883 436 TFS, 479TFW (attached to 6252 TFW) Da Nang 12 April 1966 KA-3B 142653 ZB-3 Det. C, VAH-4 - USS Kitty Hawk Lt. Cdr. William A. Glasson (MIA) Lt(jg) Larry M. Jordan (MIA) ATCS Reuben B. Harris (MIA) PRCS Kenneth W. Pugh (MIA - Remains Returned 16-December 1975) Shot down by Chinese MiGs over the Luichow Peninsula in Kuangtung province Try this website http://www.scopesys.com/cgi/bio2.cgi?bio=G017 21 August 1967 A-6A 152627 VA-196 - USS Constellation Lt(jg) Dain Vanderlin Scott (KIA) Lt(jg) Forrest George Trembley (KIA) A-6A 152625 VA-196 - USS Constellation Lt. Cdr Jimmy Lee Buckley (KIA) Lt. Robert James Flynn (POW) (Ejected) 14 February 1968 A-1H 134499 VA-25 - USS Coral Sea Lt(jg) Joseph P. Dunn (MIA) Regards Mike Bennett Tamworth, England Project: Get Out and Walk |
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