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#12
March 5th 04, 03:05 PM
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Allowing inspections is "terms" and dickering is "price".
Mike MU-2 "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message hlink.net... They make the "industry" look bad? What industry are you talking about? You are complaining about individuals who don't want to sell THEIR airplanes for your price and/or terms. Think about that for a moment. I beleive he said they would not allow inspections and would not dicker. Mike MU-2 The marketplace scene in "Life of Brian" comes to mind. Wanna buy a gourd? 
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March 5th 04, 04:10 PM
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Three things:
1. The ad you cited says "Private seller" but dollars to donuts this seller is a broker or a quick-flip artist. Look at his phone numbers. How many individuals have TWO phone numbers that end in 000? Looking up the tail number in the FAA database, his ownership certificate was issued in January of this year. Plus the salesmanship patter in his note. DON'T BUY JUNK! blah blah blah 2. That said, I'm starting to agree with others who say your attitude is part of the problem. My first memory of you on the aviation newsgroups was you fuming and threatening to sue your FBO because of availability problems. You had a legitimate gripe but over the months you sure seem to be having a lot of gripes and not much else to say. Each individual one seems reasonable but the cumulative effect is making me wonder -- Are you really that unlucky? Now in this purchase quest you seem to be looking for a quick cash bargain and then you are *shocked* that you are not being offered creampuffs. Hey man, you offer cash for a quick sale and expect to pay less than average, you're not going to hook up with the class sellers with the creampuff airplanes. You've been advised several times that it takes patience and perseverance to buy an airplane, take that to heart. 3. Lastly, no matter how annoying these people are to you, pointing them up personally for riducule on the newsgroup is simply uncool. At least twice now you have posted people's private correspondences to you, which is a major breach of internet ettiquite. It doesn't speak well for your attitude or the respect with which you do (or do not) treat the people you deal with. JMO MRQB wrote: The nerve of this guy telling me I have a lot to learn, Looks like this guy needs to learn how to read. This is the second time I have told this guy no it seems like he forgets things or need to go learn the meaning of NO. First he wanted to trade me for my Car I told him no a few months ago. I have looked at airplanes with way better engine times for a lot less looks like he is trying to recover his GPS costs and myself I don't care if I have a GPS that's why we learned how to plot a course and navigate. Goof Balls Airplane Ad http://www.planetraderz.com/details.asp?si=785&li=248 Good luck finding your "pie in the sky"... you must be very new to this airplane business. Add to your wealth of knowledge that 1800 TBO is just a recommendation... and when you buy that plane with old radios... remember to bring your wallet with you. You have a lot to learn and it looks like you will learn the hard way like most newbies... -----Original Message----- From: MRQB ] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:51 PM To: Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Please fully read my ad I have it commented below I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000), Your Asking $15,900 Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Your airplane has SMOH 1982.25+ Your airplane's engine is Run Out 1,800 TBO Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, Your 150 Is a 1966 Your airplane is worth only about $10,000 to me and that is being generous please dont bother me with your attempts to sell me an airplane that dont meet my needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "OpenAirNet Classifieds" To: "Steven Rhine" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Hello Steven! Darrell Reiley has submitted the following inquiry about your classified ad: Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should reconsider. 15900 with the Garmin 250XL GPS moving map / Com 150 hrs STOH, this will fly you for hundreds of hours easy. Plus low airframe time also. I have flown her over 30 hours since Dec 03. Don't end up with a piece of junk. You can even call the AI that maintains her... Here is your ad: Item: Cessna 150/152 Price: $15,000.00 Posted: 2/21/2004 Description: I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000) for a Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, High Airframe Time Ok, Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Airplane must be in flying condition, in current annual and have all the logs, No Major Damage & All AD's C/W. Aircraft can be ugly i am not wanting looks. I am just looking for somthing to build time in. I will pay cash upon pick up of airplane (yes I have cash the green paper kind no banks involved). Call me at 1-360-521-8452 to discuss a quick sale I am located in Vancouver, Wa 98662 Please E-mail Photos & Spec's to mrqb@q... Prior to calling.br You can reply to this inquiry from Darrell by either clicking on the following email or hitting reply in your mail browser. Inquirers email: Thanks for using OpenAirNet to sell your classified items! Go flying today! OpenAirNet - Fun Places to Fly! www.OpenAirNet.com www.Fun-Places-To-Fly.com
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#14
March 5th 04, 05:43 PM
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My plane always has cobwebs on it. I can park it tonight, go
back tomorrow morning and there will be cobwebs on it. Usually at the tail, from the rudder to the fin to the ground. Paul "Bob Fry" wrote in message ... Another guy had a plane that hadn't been used for so long there were cobwebs hanging off it.
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#15
March 6th 04, 01:21 AM
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"TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message ... Three things: 1. The ad you cited says "Private seller" but dollars to donuts this seller is a broker or a quick-flip artist. he may be a broker or a quick-flip artist Look at his phone numbers. How many individuals have TWO phone numbers that end in 000? Looking up the tail number in the FAA database, his ownership certificate was issued in January of this year. Plus the salesmanship patter in his note. DON'T BUY JUNK! blah blah blah HUmm? 2. That said, I'm starting to agree with others who say your attitude is part of the problem. My first memory of you on the aviation newsgroups was you fuming and threatening to sue your FBO because of availability problems. Was not aviability problems they got rid of all the planes after taking my money. I did not threten to sue them only ponderd it but was able to come to an agreement and was able to get a refund. "The only people that win in a law suit are the attorneys" there is alway other ways to take care of things. You had a legitimate gripe but over the months you sure seem to be having a lot of gripes and not much else to say. Each individual one seems reasonable but the cumulative effect is making me wonder -- Are you really that unlucky? No i am not unlucky i just seem to attract the wrong type of people. Now in this purchase quest you seem to be looking for a quick cash bargain and then you are *shocked* that you are not being offered creampuffs. I know i will not find a Cream Puff all i wanted to point out is how some of thease sellers are. Hey man, you offer cash for a quick sale and expect to pay less than average, you're not going to hook up with the class sellers with the creampuff airplanes. You've been advised several times that it takes patience and perseverance to buy an airplane, take that to heart. Yes I am being patient, i have not bought anything yet i know in time i will dig through the hay stack deep enough and find the one that right for me. 3. Lastly, no matter how annoying these people are to you, pointing them up personally for riducule on the newsgroup is simply uncool. Uncool to let the public be aware of their rudeness and how unprofessional they are. At least twice now you have posted people's private correspondences to you, which is a major breach of internet ettiquite. They were my private e-mails and yes I chouse to share them It doesn't speak well for your attitude or the respect with which you do (or do not) treat the people you deal with. I treat other with a lot of respect untill they show me a reason not to. JMO MRQB wrote: The nerve of this guy telling me I have a lot to learn, Looks like this guy needs to learn how to read. This is the second time I have told this guy no it seems like he forgets things or need to go learn the meaning of NO. First he wanted to trade me for my Car I told him no a few months ago. I have looked at airplanes with way better engine times for a lot less looks like he is trying to recover his GPS costs and myself I don't care if I have a GPS that's why we learned how to plot a course and navigate. Goof Balls Airplane Ad http://www.planetraderz.com/details.asp?si=785&li=248 Good luck finding your "pie in the sky"... you must be very new to this airplane business. Add to your wealth of knowledge that 1800 TBO is just a recommendation... and when you buy that plane with old radios... remember to bring your wallet with you. You have a lot to learn and it looks like you will learn the hard way like most newbies... -----Original Message----- From: MRQB ] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:51 PM To: Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Please fully read my ad I have it commented below I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000), Your Asking $15,900 Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Your airplane has SMOH 1982.25+ Your airplane's engine is Run Out 1,800 TBO Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, Your 150 Is a 1966 Your airplane is worth only about $10,000 to me and that is being generous please dont bother me with your attempts to sell me an airplane that dont meet my needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "OpenAirNet Classifieds" To: "Steven Rhine" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Hello Steven! Darrell Reiley has submitted the following inquiry about your classified ad: Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should reconsider. 15900 with the Garmin 250XL GPS moving map / Com 150 hrs STOH, this will fly you for hundreds of hours easy. Plus low airframe time also. I have flown her over 30 hours since Dec 03. Don't end up with a piece of junk. You can even call the AI that maintains her... Here is your ad: Item: Cessna 150/152 Price: $15,000.00 Posted: 2/21/2004 Description: I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000) for a Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, High Airframe Time Ok, Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Airplane must be in flying condition, in current annual and have all the logs, No Major Damage & All AD's C/W. Aircraft can be ugly i am not wanting looks. I am just looking for somthing to build time in. I will pay cash upon pick up of airplane (yes I have cash the green paper kind no banks involved). Call me at 1-360-521-8452 to discuss a quick sale I am located in Vancouver, Wa 98662 Please E-mail Photos & Spec's to mrqb@q... Prior to calling.br You can reply to this inquiry from Darrell by either clicking on the following email or hitting reply in your mail browser. Inquirers email: Thanks for using OpenAirNet to sell your classified items! Go flying today! OpenAirNet - Fun Places to Fly! www.OpenAirNet.com www.Fun-Places-To-Fly.com
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#16
March 6th 04, 02:32 AM
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:31:41 -0800, MRQB wrote:
shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last few weeks. You've been told many times what to expect, and when you get what you were told would happen you seem to take it as a personal attack. It's not, it's just that offering what you are you are going to attract the lower end of the scale. That's a fact of life, don't get upset by it, just live with it and move on. You would do much better looking for a plane in other ways. I see them all the time around here on the boards in your price range. I bet it's the same in your state, just visit all the airports within a couple hundred miles and you'll find it in your backyard for what you want to spend. Just quit calling people names because they don't meet your specifications, often times that's the opening line in a deal, ask for more than you expect to get just in case the buyer goes for it. This is how you deal with people, it's give and take. He starts high, you start low, both of you meet in the middle. If he starts over your 15K figure, who cares, you're going to dicker it down anyhow, he knows it, you know it, so with that have fun dickering. The most fun I ever had was on vacation when I had absolutely no intention of buying that shirt, yet I dickered long and hard, walked once and they chased me down to renegotiate, in the end I bought it so much cheaper than anybody else did because I was willing to dicker hard and walk. Do the same, the process should be fun.
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#17
March 6th 04, 03:56 AM
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I already told the guy once that i dont want his airplane as it is not what
i am looking for. See the below: Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should reconsider. "Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message news  On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:31:41 -0800, MRQB wrote: shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last few weeks. You've been told many times what to expect, and when you get what you were told would happen you seem to take it as a personal attack. It's not, it's just that offering what you are you are going to attract the lower end of the scale. That's a fact of life, don't get upset by it, just live with it and move on. You would do much better looking for a plane in other ways. I see them all the time around here on the boards in your price range. I bet it's the same in your state, just visit all the airports within a couple hundred miles and you'll find it in your backyard for what you want to spend. Just quit calling people names because they don't meet your specifications, often times that's the opening line in a deal, ask for more than you expect to get just in case the buyer goes for it. This is how you deal with people, it's give and take. He starts high, you start low, both of you meet in the middle. If he starts over your 15K figure, who cares, you're going to dicker it down anyhow, he knows it, you know it, so with that have fun dickering. The most fun I ever had was on vacation when I had absolutely no intention of buying that shirt, yet I dickered long and hard, walked once and they chased me down to renegotiate, in the end I bought it so much cheaper than anybody else did because I was willing to dicker hard and walk. Do the same, the process should be fun.
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#18
March 6th 04, 04:11 AM
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I wouldn't get too mad about the 15,900 part. If I were selling a plane, I
would talk to anyone who seemed like they may be in the market at all. Also, Negotiating stupidly can often have great results. OTOH anyone who wastes his time pushing when someone is obviously not moving is an idiot. That's where I draw the line. "MRQB" wrote in message ... Look again he sent me the message offering me the plane at $15,900 when my add said $15,000 start from the bottom start at the bottom and read up. "Stu Gotts" wrote in message ... He's right, you do. If you think the airplane is worth 10K, why did you bust his balls and tell him you've only got 15K to spend? On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:55:36 -0800, "MRQB" wrote: The nerve of this guy telling me I have a lot to learn, Looks like this guy needs to learn how to read. This is the second time I have told this guy no it seems like he forgets things or need to go learn the meaning of NO. First he wanted to trade me for my Car I told him no a few months ago. I have looked at airplanes with way better engine times for a lot less looks like he is trying to recover his GPS costs and myself I don't care if I have a GPS that's why we learned how to plot a course and navigate. Goof Balls Airplane Ad http://www.planetraderz.com/details.asp?si=785&li=248 Good luck finding your "pie in the sky"... you must be very new to this airplane business. Add to your wealth of knowledge that 1800 TBO is just a recommendation... and when you buy that plane with old radios... remember to bring your wallet with you. You have a lot to learn and it looks like you will learn the hard way like most newbies... -----Original Message----- From: MRQB ] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:51 PM To: Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Please fully read my ad I have it commented below I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000), Your Asking $15,900 Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Your airplane has SMOH 1982.25+ Your airplane's engine is Run Out 1,800 TBO Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, Your 150 Is a 1966 Your airplane is worth only about $10,000 to me and that is being generous please dont bother me with your attempts to sell me an airplane that dont meet my needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "OpenAirNet Classifieds" To: "Steven Rhine" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Hello Steven! Darrell Reiley has submitted the following inquiry about your classified ad: Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should reconsider. 15900 with the Garmin 250XL GPS moving map / Com 150 hrs STOH, this will fly you for hundreds of hours easy. Plus low airframe time also. I have flown her over 30 hours since Dec 03. Don't end up with a piece of junk. You can even call the AI that maintains her... Here is your ad: Item: Cessna 150/152 Price: $15,000.00 Posted: 2/21/2004 Description: I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000) for a Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, High Airframe Time Ok, Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Airplane must be in flying condition, in current annual and have all the logs, No Major Damage & All AD's C/W. Aircraft can be ugly i am not wanting looks. I am just looking for somthing to build time in. I will pay cash upon pick up of airplane (yes I have cash the green paper kind no banks involved). Call me at 1-360-521-8452 to discuss a quick sale I am located in Vancouver, Wa 98662 Please E-mail Photos & Spec's to mrqb@q... Prior to calling.br You can reply to this inquiry from Darrell by either clicking on the following email or hitting reply in your mail browser. Inquirers email: Thanks for using OpenAirNet to sell your classified items! Go flying today! OpenAirNet - Fun Places to Fly! www.OpenAirNet.com www.Fun-Places-To-Fly.com
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March 6th 04, 04:21 AM
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All the rest is debatable, but you do need to know that sending out peoples
emails is a good way to not any longer get an email that says anything important. I would not do it except to point out an extreme injustice. I had a boss that got me in trouble once by forwarding a voice mail. He spent the next six months getting little but the most polite voicemails, emails, and memo's stating we should discuss the subject in person. "MRQB" wrote in message ... "TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message ... Three things: 1. The ad you cited says "Private seller" but dollars to donuts this seller is a broker or a quick-flip artist. he may be a broker or a quick-flip artist Look at his phone numbers. How many individuals have TWO phone numbers that end in 000? Looking up the tail number in the FAA database, his ownership certificate was issued in January of this year. Plus the salesmanship patter in his note. DON'T BUY JUNK! blah blah blah HUmm? 2. That said, I'm starting to agree with others who say your attitude is part of the problem. My first memory of you on the aviation newsgroups was you fuming and threatening to sue your FBO because of availability problems. Was not aviability problems they got rid of all the planes after taking my money. I did not threten to sue them only ponderd it but was able to come to an agreement and was able to get a refund. "The only people that win in a law suit are the attorneys" there is alway other ways to take care of things. You had a legitimate gripe but over the months you sure seem to be having a lot of gripes and not much else to say. Each individual one seems reasonable but the cumulative effect is making me wonder -- Are you really that unlucky? No i am not unlucky i just seem to attract the wrong type of people. Now in this purchase quest you seem to be looking for a quick cash bargain and then you are *shocked* that you are not being offered creampuffs. I know i will not find a Cream Puff all i wanted to point out is how some of thease sellers are. Hey man, you offer cash for a quick sale and expect to pay less than average, you're not going to hook up with the class sellers with the creampuff airplanes. You've been advised several times that it takes patience and perseverance to buy an airplane, take that to heart. Yes I am being patient, i have not bought anything yet i know in time i will dig through the hay stack deep enough and find the one that right for me. 3. Lastly, no matter how annoying these people are to you, pointing them up personally for riducule on the newsgroup is simply uncool. Uncool to let the public be aware of their rudeness and how unprofessional they are. At least twice now you have posted people's private correspondences to you, which is a major breach of internet ettiquite. They were my private e-mails and yes I chouse to share them It doesn't speak well for your attitude or the respect with which you do (or do not) treat the people you deal with. I treat other with a lot of respect untill they show me a reason not to. JMO MRQB wrote: The nerve of this guy telling me I have a lot to learn, Looks like this guy needs to learn how to read. This is the second time I have told this guy no it seems like he forgets things or need to go learn the meaning of NO. First he wanted to trade me for my Car I told him no a few months ago. I have looked at airplanes with way better engine times for a lot less looks like he is trying to recover his GPS costs and myself I don't care if I have a GPS that's why we learned how to plot a course and navigate. Goof Balls Airplane Ad http://www.planetraderz.com/details.asp?si=785&li=248 Good luck finding your "pie in the sky"... you must be very new to this airplane business. Add to your wealth of knowledge that 1800 TBO is just a recommendation... and when you buy that plane with old radios... remember to bring your wallet with you. You have a lot to learn and it looks like you will learn the hard way like most newbies... -----Original Message----- From: MRQB ] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:51 PM To: Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Please fully read my ad I have it commented below I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000), Your Asking $15,900 Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Your airplane has SMOH 1982.25+ Your airplane's engine is Run Out 1,800 TBO Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, Your 150 Is a 1966 Your airplane is worth only about $10,000 to me and that is being generous please dont bother me with your attempts to sell me an airplane that dont meet my needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "OpenAirNet Classifieds" To: "Steven Rhine" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad! Hello Steven! Darrell Reiley has submitted the following inquiry about your classified ad: Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should reconsider. 15900 with the Garmin 250XL GPS moving map / Com 150 hrs STOH, this will fly you for hundreds of hours easy. Plus low airframe time also. I have flown her over 30 hours since Dec 03. Don't end up with a piece of junk. You can even call the AI that maintains her... Here is your ad: Item: Cessna 150/152 Price: $15,000.00 Posted: 2/21/2004 Description: I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000) for a Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, High Airframe Time Ok, Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Airplane must be in flying condition, in current annual and have all the logs, No Major Damage & All AD's C/W. Aircraft can be ugly i am not wanting looks. I am just looking for somthing to build time in. I will pay cash upon pick up of airplane (yes I have cash the green paper kind no banks involved). Call me at 1-360-521-8452 to discuss a quick sale I am located in Vancouver, Wa 98662 Please E-mail Photos & Spec's to mrqb@q... Prior to calling.br You can reply to this inquiry from Darrell by either clicking on the following email or hitting reply in your mail browser. Inquirers email: Thanks for using OpenAirNet to sell your classified items! Go flying today! OpenAirNet - Fun Places to Fly! www.OpenAirNet.com www.Fun-Places-To-Fly.com
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March 6th 04, 01:56 PM
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:56:20 -0800, MRQB wrote:
I already told the guy once that i dont want his airplane as it is not what i am looking for. It's still not worth getting upset over, it's just junk mail, ala spam from this point forwards. Ignore it, he'll go away. In any event, on an o-200 getting past TBO with a private owner is an accomplishment, many consider 1500 hours what a private pilot should expect before some major work and you should consider that in your quest.
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