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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
"Ibby" wrote in message ... During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carry on my wayward son, you powers of imagination are quickly surpassing Mx. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... a writes: He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people died. Is the connection too obscure for you? No, he was not getting expert instructions. He already knew how to fly the plane, and nobody was telling him how to do so over the radio. The instructions concerned other matters, such as which airport would be the best choice for landing. How would you know, you have never flown anything but a desk. |
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On Mar 10, 8:25*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes: He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people died. Is the connection too obscure for you? No, he was not getting expert instructions. *He already knew how to fly the plane, and nobody was telling him how to do so over the radio. *The instructions concerned other matters, such as which airport would be the best choice for landing. Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him advice were not expert? The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were used in this case in any event -- could be found. Oh well, you've waltzed around this maypole often enough, and you are clearly getting the attention on line that you seem to need. Congratulations. |
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a writes:
Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him advice were not expert? I have. I don't know if they were experts or not, but they were not giving expert instruction, certainly not expert instruction in piloting. The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were used in this case in any event -- could be found. In the scenario I've discussed, there's nothing wrong with the aircraft. Abnormal procedures can stump even the best pilots, but in a normally functioning airliner, anyone can land it with the automation available. If the only problem is incapacitation of the pilots, the outlook for a safe landing is quite good. |
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On Mar 10, 12:01*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes: Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him advice were not expert? I have. *I don't know if they were experts or not, but they were not giving expert instruction, certainly not expert instruction in piloting. The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were used in this case in any event -- could be found. In the scenario I've discussed, there's nothing wrong with the aircraft. Abnormal procedures can stump even the best pilots, but in a normally functioning airliner, anyone can land it with the automation available. If the only problem is incapacitation of the pilots, the outlook for a safe landing is quite good. As I've pointed out, you've won, you've gotten the on line attention you seek. |
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NOT IGNORANCE BUT REALITY - REAL AUTOPILOT DISCONNECT WARNING ALARM 4min 58secs on Video
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:51:23 -0500, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message .. . Just go look it up! writes: Do you not understand that increasing the volume of alarms or tweaking operating modes of autoflight systems after an accident caused wouldn't be unusual? Boeing doesn't wait for accidents before installing alarms. You should work for the Microsoft Help Desk. That answer was completely correct, but totally useless. Especially when I specifically said *increasing volume* or *tweaking modes* rather than installing an alarm system. Or is that what you were alluding to? |
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NOT IGNORANCE BUT REALITY - REAL AUTOPILOT DISCONNECT WARNING ALARM 4min 58secs on Video
"Just go look it up!" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:51:23 -0500, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: "Mxsmanic" wrote in message . .. Just go look it up! writes: Do you not understand that increasing the volume of alarms or tweaking operating modes of autoflight systems after an accident caused wouldn't be unusual? Boeing doesn't wait for accidents before installing alarms. You should work for the Microsoft Help Desk. That answer was completely correct, but totally useless. Especially when I specifically said *increasing volume* or *tweaking modes* rather than installing an alarm system. Or is that what you were alluding to? When Mx is on the run, he often reverts to irrelevant statements. The old "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull****" routine. |
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Hi,
In article , wrote: but in the UK you are not permitted to land or take off on your first lesson which I was commenting on. I know of no regulation in the UK that prevents it. If there were one, I would therefore know of several people in the UK that have breached it. Andy (UK PPL) |
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