Riddle me this, pilots

Chip Jones wrote:
Had I known that
these aircraft were going to get so apparently close in the end without a
visual, I would have vectored the Baron early in the interests of air safety
(regardless of what the 7110 dictates) to avoid the alert.

That is far and away the better procedure. I have had a few situations
like that and I will never let it get to a safety alert status. The IFR
guy will get vectored. It also saves time.

(Roy Smith) wrote in :

The problem is that we're working with 50 year old technology here.
The idea that we can't reliably transmit one 24-bit message every 5
seconds is absurd.

NASA can transmit images from Neptune better than that.


True it's old technology, but we're dealing with a couple of things that
NASA doesn't have to deal with in sending images from Neptune - liability
and bureaucracy. There are several layers of bureaucracy involved with
changing systems within the FAA (not to say there aren't in NASA, either,
but it's more deeply entrenched in the FAA) and nobody dies if the images
from Neptune don't make it or are corrupted. Changing computers within the
FAA requires proving (not showing probability, or proving beyond a
reasonable doubt) that the system will work, and the system, if purchased,
has to go through a bidding process. Thus the computers at the FAA are
generations behind what is on your desktop (as are the computers in the
space shuttle) and the entire system has as much inertia as the entire
earth. I'm amazed that the FAA has responded to GPS as quickly as it has.

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Regards,

Stan

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
...
The other day, I had an air traffic situation I wanted to bounce off of
the
group. Those of you who don't know me, I'm a Center controller down here
in


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I feel very strongly that ATC has an obligation to track these rogue idiots.
Controllers may be a passenger/pilots someday too. You dont have to prove
anything, just get them on the phone and advise them that they may wish to
review the rule book before playing in your backyard. It should get their
attention.

Unless they are really stupid, they will likely stop the behavior after
realizing big brother was watching their stunt.

SK

Thus the computers at the FAA are
generations behind what is on your desktop


And I'm glad of it. If ATC computers crashed as much as my desktop did, there
would be no ATC. And I know ATC computers crash tool

Jose

(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

(Teacherjh) wrote in
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Thus the computers at the FAA are
generations behind what is on your desktop


And I'm glad of it. If ATC computers crashed as much as my desktop
did, there would be no ATC. And I know ATC computers crash tool

Yeah, but thank God they don't use Windows for an operating system. That
would be truly frightening.

--
Regards,

Stan

"Stuart King" wrote in
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I feel very strongly that ATC has an obligation to track these rogue
idiots.

To what purpose? There is no way to prove the flight conditions were IMC.
Just because one pilot reported being in IMC, especially when everyone else
was VMC, does not prove the pilot in question violated anything.

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Regards,

Stan

("Capt. Doug" wrote)

(pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!)

Man on 3rd base....You are not authorized to cross Home plate. Repeat...hold
short of Home plate!

Person holding short of 1st base, you may now taxi back to the dugout -
you're out.

Ahh, a double play in the making, on a ball hit over the centerfielder's
head.

--
Montblack

Roy Smith wrote:

NASA can transmit images from Neptune better than that.

I'm sure that I could build a pretty foolproof mode-C if I had NASA's budget.
Doing it for a few hundred dollars is what's difficult.

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

We don't know that this guy was a rogue idiot, there's no evidence that any
rule was violated.

Sure. So the conversation should go something like "Sir, we tracked you through
our airspace at 6,000'. You might want to have your encoder checked."

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

Heck, you don't even know if his Mode C was correct.

Yes, as I stated in an earlier message.

I was just remaking your point. "Piling on" so to speak. Sometimes you
are just too darned succinct.