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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
On May 15, 4:44*pm, wrote:
Since SM stopped accepting FAA money in 1994, all those "improvements" have depreciated and its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land...JG Most such agreements state that if the land is no longer used for an airport the property goes back to being federal property. The city didn't just get free land in 1948. -Robert |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
On May 16, 11:44*am, wrote:
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single...faa-ups-legal-.... It’s up to the city to choose between the options, or suggest another option that would not restrict access to the airport. The city, which accepted $9.7 million in federal airport development grants between 1985 and 1994, promised in 1984 to maintain the runway length and width, the spokesman said, and in any case agreed when the airport was transferred to the city in 1948 that the airport would be used “for the use and benefit of the public…without unjust discrimination. .000001 % of the SoCal Public has ever set foot there. I in 100 million? I don't believe it. Cheers |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote
in : its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land. Are you aware of the revolution in air-taxi services occurring in the nation's southeast? Here's a clue: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/dayjet Those municipalities that have converted their airports to strip-malls will be frozen out of the future of air travel, or have to use their powers of eminent domain to build new airports. Neither prospect is likely to be attractive to their residents. |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote in : its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land. Are you aware of the revolution in air-taxi services occurring in the nation's southeast? Here's a clue: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/dayjet Those municipalities that have converted their airports to strip-malls will be frozen out of the future of air travel, or have to use their powers of eminent domain to build new airports. Neither prospect is likely to be attractive to their residents. Larry, while I hate to see airports screwed with I don't think you should use a very close to failed business venture as an example of why they should stay. |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:32:31 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote in : its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land. Are you aware of the revolution in air-taxi services occurring in the nation's southeast? Here's a clue: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/dayjet Those municipalities that have converted their airports to strip-malls will be frozen out of the future of air travel, or have to use their powers of eminent domain to build new airports. Neither prospect is likely to be attractive to their residents. Larry, while I hate to see airports screwed with I don't think you should use a very close to failed business venture as an example of why they should stay. What leads you to believe that SATSair is close to failed? While DayJet may not be turning a profit with VLJ operation, SATSair is using SR-22s, and doing okay last I heard. |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
Benjamin Dover wrote:
Since SM stopped accepting FAA money in 1994, all those "improvements" have depreciated and its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land...JG What should happen is that anti-airports ****s like you be: 1) Permanently placed on the no-fly list. 2) No mail to/from be allowed to be transported by air. 3) All packages to/from restricted to ground transportation only. Generally, "the highest and best public use of the land" means "a land developer who contributes to political campaigns wants to build an cookie-cutter apartment complex or a Walgreen." So it should be "the highest and best use of a land developer and the politicians he supports." They closed down NWPilot's old historic airstrip in Vancouver quite awhile ago in order to better serve the public land. Last time I checked, the grass had grown tall and nothing had been done with it. What really happened is that they build apartments under the traffic pattern so close that the two-story apartments have red safety lights on the roofs, and no doubt somebody bitched about the low-flying aircraft. I used to go park my jeep in the gravel lot beside the runway and watch the Stearman, etc in the pattern on my lunch hour. Traffic is so congested and pathetic out there that now I couldn't make it there and back at lunch, and property values are plummeting. -c |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:32:31 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote in : its time to pursue the highest and best public use of the land. Are you aware of the revolution in air-taxi services occurring in the nation's southeast? Here's a clue: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/dayjet Those municipalities that have converted their airports to strip-malls will be frozen out of the future of air travel, or have to use their powers of eminent domain to build new airports. Neither prospect is likely to be attractive to their residents. Larry, while I hate to see airports screwed with I don't think you should use a very close to failed business venture as an example of why they should stay. What leads you to believe that SATSair is close to failed? While DayJet may not be turning a profit with VLJ operation, SATSair is using SR-22s, and doing okay last I heard. The story you linked to was (at lest the first page of it) talking about DayJet and you are using that article to say that there's a "revolution in air-taxi services" I think my statement that that isn't the best example stands. SATSair is not showing a profit, though I wish them all the best. If you remember the other day right before DayJet started laying folks off you were saying they were profitable. |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:56:33 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in : SATSair is not showing a profit, though I wish them all the best. I wasn't aware of that. Their parent sure is. The point is, there is a movement afoot to actively use municipal airports as an indispensable part of the travel industry. Perhaps my view is just a bit premature. |
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Santa Monica Showdown: City v FAA
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:56:33 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder wrote in : SATSair is not showing a profit, though I wish them all the best. I wasn't aware of that. Their parent sure is. Yes you were. You and I had a conversation in this very forum about it last week I believe. The point is, there is a movement afoot to actively use municipal airports as an indispensable part of the travel industry. Perhaps my view is just a bit premature. Yes you are. |
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