CFII instructor as passenger (FAA)

"Doug" wrote

Can a pilot who owns an amphibian that is no longer capable of landing
on the water get a flight review in the amphibian?
Yes, but it will not include privileges of flight in on water.

I think that you missed this one Doug.

(c) Except as provided in paragraphs (d), (e), and (g) of this section, no
person may act as pilot in command of an aircraft unless, since the
beginning of the 24th calendar month before the month in which that pilot
acts as pilot in command, that person has—

(1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft for which that pilot
is rated by an authorized instructor and.....

One Flight Review is good for all aircraft for which the pilot is rated.
There is no requirement for different Classes.
The Flight Review can actually be accomplished in an approved simulator
under certain conditions.
There is a separate requirement for a PIC check for aircraft certificated
for more than one pilot.

Bob Moore

Yes, but the question was could he get his flight review in his
amphibian if the amphibian was incapable of landing on the water. I see
your point though. I guess he could get the flight reveiw in a land
airplane and then still have privileges on his Seaplane rating with no
seaplane demonstration.

As for the instructor giving instruction in a Seaplane, I am not sure
but I think there is an exception for this one. If so it should be in
the FARs.

"Steve Foley" wrote in
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I once had a ten-second instruction. Nobody logged it.

I was flying around in circles, and the airport owner (CFI) asked if I
could fly him 4.2 miles to another airport. I said sure.

As we were flying over, I thought to myself that this was the first
time I had flown with an instructor, but wasn't receiving instruction.

As I was on the downwind, about to turn base, Gregg reached over and
pulled the power. He said "You just lost your engine - where are you
going to land".

I replied "In those trees - just short of the runway", as I pushed the
power back in.



It took you 10 seconds to teach him the laws of physics?

Dave S wrote:
It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without
logging (or being) PIC.

Further, the pilot can log PIC even if the instructor is PIC (as
long as he is the sole manipulator of an aircraft for which he
is rated).

Further, the instructor can log PIC time while giving instruction
regardless of who is actually the PIC.

Doug wrote:

Can a CFII give instrument instruction in a tailwheel aircraft if the
CFII does not have a tailwheel rating?

There's no such thing as a tailwheel rating.

Answer is yes. And he can even log it. But you can't go on a filed IFR
cross country flight unless one of you has an IFR rating.

The answer is only a qualified yes. Yes, if it's a single engine.
No, if it's a twin.


Can a pilot who has a complex rating be PIC in an Amphibian if he does
not have a Seaplane rating. (Almost all amphibians are complex).
Yes, so long as he does not land on water.

There's no such thing as a complex rating.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Dave S wrote:
It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without logging
(or being) PIC.

Further, the pilot can log PIC even if the instructor is PIC (as
long as he is the sole manipulator of an aircraft for which he
is rated).

Further, the instructor can log PIC time while giving instruction
regardless of who is actually the PIC.

Really? Surely you can only have one PIC?

Perhaps it's different over here (UK), but if an instructor and a student
are flying in conditions that fit the student's current licence entitlement,
then as I see it, _either_ the student can log PIC _or_ the instructor can,
but not both. If the conditions exceed that of the student's licence (e.g.
you're in IMC under tuition for your instrument rating) then the instructor
would be PIC and the student "pilot undergoing tuition"). The only situation
I can think of where you could both "almost" be PIC is when you're having a
practical examination, at which point the examiner is P1 and the student "P1
under supervision".

Though I'm sure someone will find a hole in my logic :-)

D.

Surely you can only have one PIC?

Perhaps it's different over here (UK)

Yes, it's different in the US. We don't speak the King's English.

On this side of the pond, PIC has two different meanings depending on
context. In the context of authority, it means "the person who is the
final authority on the conduct of the flight", and there can be only one
of them. However, in the context of loggable time, it means, among
other things, "sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft in which
he is rated", irrespective of who is the final authority on the flight.
In the same breath, it means "person who is the final authority on the
flight, if a copilot is required". This was probably deliberately
arranged by the FAA to entertain pilots who are waiting thunderstorms
out in some FBO far from home.

The long and the short of it, only one person can be "top dog" on the
flight, but several people can put in their logbook that they had HOT
("hands-on time"). We just use the same word for both.

Jose
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David Cartwright wrote:

Really? Surely you can only have one PIC?

You are confusing logging PIC time with actually *being* PIC. They are not the
same in the States.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Peter wrote:

It's different in the UK, as you say. The FAA rules permit two people
to log "PIC"

actually, more than two can log PIC simultaneously given the
right circumstances :-)

--Sylvain