Solo IFR Currency

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:21:08 -0700, Mark Hansen
wrote:



Actually, that's not quite true. You are required to have an IFR
flight plan and ATC clearance before you can fly in IMC within
controlled airspace (or within Class A regardless of the weather).

If you're outside controlled airspace, this rule doesn't apply.

But ... that's a whole 'nuther can-o-worms ;-)

So, where/when can you fly in the clouds (IMC) without an IFR flight
plan & an ATC clearance?

So, where/when can you fly in the clouds (IMC) without an IFR flight
plan & an ATC clearance?

In class G airspace.

xyzzy wrote:
Julian Scarfe wrote:

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message
oups.com...

No, you'd be violating 91.113(b).



"...vigilance shall be maintained" is somewhat subjective. One could
argue that most pilots bust that one on every flight. What if you pop
the hood up every 30 seconds?

Fortunately 91.109(b) requires no interpretaion whatsoever:

(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless-
(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses
at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown.

(2) The safety pilot has adequate vision forward and to each side of
the aircraft, or a competent observer in the aircraft adequately
supplements the vision of the safety pilot; and

(3) Except in the case of lighter-than-air aircraft, that aircraft is
equipped with fully functioning dual controls...


bummer for throwover-yoke Bo pilots


Read the FAR's further... there IS an exception.

Rich

max wrote:
So, where/when can you fly in the clouds (IMC) without an IFR flight
plan & an ATC clearance?


In class G airspace.

Which there is precious little of that meets the IFR rules for
minimum altitudes.

Now that is interesting. I have been a safety pilot for a friend of mine
that has a single control Bo and I never gave it a thought.


Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


xyzzy wrote:
Julian Scarfe wrote:

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message
oups.com...

No, you'd be violating 91.113(b).



"...vigilance shall be maintained" is somewhat subjective. One could
argue that most pilots bust that one on every flight. What if you pop
the hood up every 30 seconds?

Fortunately 91.109(b) requires no interpretaion whatsoever:

(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless-
(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses
at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown.

(2) The safety pilot has adequate vision forward and to each side of
the aircraft, or a competent observer in the aircraft adequately
supplements the vision of the safety pilot; and

(3) Except in the case of lighter-than-air aircraft, that aircraft is
equipped with fully functioning dual controls...


bummer for throwover-yoke Bo pilots

Wow, so technically you can't practice IFR approaches under the hood in
throw-over yoke Bonanzas? Interesting.

Marco Leon

"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
Now that is interesting. I have been a safety pilot for a friend of mine
that has a single control Bo and I never gave it a thought.


Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


xyzzy wrote:
Julian Scarfe wrote:

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message
oups.com...

No, you'd be violating 91.113(b).



"...vigilance shall be maintained" is somewhat subjective. One could
argue that most pilots bust that one on every flight. What if you pop
the hood up every 30 seconds?

Fortunately 91.109(b) requires no interpretaion whatsoever:

(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless-
(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses
at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown.

(2) The safety pilot has adequate vision forward and to each side of
the aircraft, or a competent observer in the aircraft adequately
supplements the vision of the safety pilot; and

(3) Except in the case of lighter-than-air aircraft, that aircraft is
equipped with fully functioning dual controls...


bummer for throwover-yoke Bo pilots




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"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...
Wow, so technically you can't practice IFR approaches under the hood in
throw-over yoke Bonanzas? Interesting.

91.109b3: "...However, simulated instrument flight may be conducted in a
single-engine airplane, equipped with a single, functioning, throwover
control wheel, in place of fixed, dual controls of the elevator and
ailerons, when- (i) The safety pilot has determined that the flight can be
conducted safely; and (ii) The person manipulating the controls has at least
a private pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings."

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/

S Herman wrote:
Assuming VMC conditions, is it legal for a current IR pilot to file an
IFR flight plan, and fly the flight *solo* wearing a hood, to meet
currency requirements? Of course the hood would be off for take-off
and upon completing an approach with a landing. Not that it's the
safest or smartest way to do this, but can it be done legally without
a safety pilot?

25 years ago I had an instructor that told me he did exactly that on a
flight between Yuma and Long Beach. I never flew with him again.

Andy

Even in B airspace, you are not separated to IFR standards if
you call in VFR.

Bill Hale

max wrote:
So, where/when can you fly in the clouds (IMC) without an IFR flight
plan & an ATC clearance?

In class G airspace.

The FAA has ruled that this is in violation of 91.13.

Hilton