A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Instrument Flight Rules
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Holding



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old December 13th 11, 11:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
___P:Sir
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Holding

The 1 min timing (or 1 min above 14.000 feet) - is that in Your opinion
inbound or outbound leg? Doc 8168 says "outbound no wind" - but that might
be a matter of definition, because all pro`s I asked, says Inbound...?
regards..
P.sir


Ads
  #2  
Old December 13th 11, 12:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Ron Rosenfeld[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Holding

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:35:44 +0100, "___P:Sir" wrote:

The 1 min timing (or 1 min above 14.000 feet) - is that in Your opinion
inbound or outbound leg? Doc 8168 says "outbound no wind" - but that might
be a matter of definition, because all pro`s I asked, says Inbound...?
regards..
P.sir


In the US, the timing is for the inbound leg. The timing for the outbound leg gets adjusted to achieve the 1 minute or 1 1/2 minute inbound leg timing:

Here is what the AIM says:

The initial outbound leg should be flown for 1 minute or
1 1/2 minutes (appropriate to altitude). Timing for
subsequent outbound legs should be adjusted, as
necessary, to achieve proper inbound leg time.
  #3  
Old December 13th 11, 01:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
___P:Sir
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Holding


"Ron Rosenfeld" skrev i en meddelelse
...
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:35:44 +0100, "___P:Sir" wrote:

The 1 min timing (or 1 min above 14.000 feet) - is that in Your opinion
inbound or outbound leg? Doc 8168 says "outbound no wind" - but that might
be a matter of definition, because all pro`s I asked, says Inbound...?
regards..
P.sir


In the US, the timing is for the inbound leg. The timing for the outbound
leg gets adjusted to achieve the 1 minute or 1 1/2 minute inbound leg
timing:

Here is what the AIM says:

The initial outbound leg should be flown for 1 minute or
1 1/2 minutes (appropriate to altitude). Timing for
subsequent outbound legs should be adjusted, as
necessary, to achieve proper inbound leg time.


Thanks - if it is like that in the US, it surely must be in Europe as well?

P.Sir


  #4  
Old December 13th 11, 10:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Ron Rosenfeld[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Holding

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:15:25 +0100, "___P:Sir" wrote:

Thanks - if it is like that in the US, it surely must be in Europe as well?

P.Sir


I have no way of knowing that. I have not trained in Europe and my only experience flying in Europe has been VFR.
However, my brief perusal of some documentation I have from Jepp which references the ICAO document 8168 leads me to believe that such may NOT be the case in Europe.

Corrections for wind effect paragraph seems to state that the adjustment required on the outbound leg, for heading and timing, is only such as to ensure the aircraft is established on the inbound track before passing the holding fix. This is quite different from the wording in the US AIM and implies that the inbound timing can be much less than the "still-air" 1 or 1 1/2 minutes.

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Holding Pattern Question Dennis Johnson Instrument Flight Rules 60 September 29th 07 06:52 AM
While Holding for a Briefing Today... Kyle Boatright Piloting 28 May 21st 07 03:42 AM
Bose X - $995 and holding... [email protected] Piloting 23 November 30th 05 01:57 AM
Holding at CHS Stuart King Instrument Flight Rules 3 November 10th 03 08:52 PM
Holding Pattern Entries Dan Luke Instrument Flight Rules 17 July 11th 03 05:18 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2017 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.