CA Did Not Cave To Standard Bush Security Demands

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:48:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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The problem is if the Prez just does a fly-by like he did right
after New Orleans flooded he took crap for not being there.


The problem is, that the TSA/DHS doesn't understand how their VIP TFRs
hamper emergency responders' efforts.

Sure they do. SS has its priorities.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:48:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:


The problem is if the Prez just does a fly-by like he did right
after New Orleans flooded he took crap for not being there.


The problem is, that the TSA/DHS doesn't understand how their VIP TFRs
hamper emergency responders' efforts.

Sure they do. SS has its priorities.



You wonder if they couldn't recognize the extraordinary circumstances and
keep the footprint to a minimum. Surely the President could override his
handlers and insist on it, recognizing the risk, but also recognizing the
political dividends.

James Robinson wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:48:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:


The problem is if the Prez just does a fly-by like he did right
after New Orleans flooded he took crap for not being there.


The problem is, that the TSA/DHS doesn't understand how their VIP
TFRs hamper emergency responders' efforts.

Sure they do. SS has its priorities.



You wonder if they couldn't recognize the extraordinary circumstances
and keep the footprint to a minimum. Surely the President could
override his handlers and insist on it, recognizing the risk, but
also recognizing the political dividends.

Well, on this case, they DID recognize the circumstances and didn't stop the
airborne firefight efforts.

Has anyone gone back and read the actual notams? I just reviewed the one for Cincinnati for today and it specifically calls out firefighting flights as permitted inside the 10 mile ring, they just need to be co-ordinate with the USSS. I don't see where this is a problem.

PART 2 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS CINCINNATI, OHIO, A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN A 10 NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. APPROVED LAW ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE (USSS) AND THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, APPROVED EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS, AND REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND ALL-CARGO CARRIERS OPERATING UNDER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE FIVE STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP) ALL CARGO, OR ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP) AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART 139 AIRPORTS. 2. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TFR, ALL EMERGENCY/LIFE SAVING FLIGHT (MEDICAL/LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIREFIGHTING) OPERATIONS MUST COORDINATE IN ADVANCE WITH THE USSS AT END PART 2 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN


"James Robinson" wrote in message . ..
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:48:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:


The problem is if the Prez just does a fly-by like he did right
after New Orleans flooded he took crap for not being there.


The problem is, that the TSA/DHS doesn't understand how their VIP TFRs
hamper emergency responders' efforts.

Sure they do. SS has its priorities.



You wonder if they couldn't recognize the extraordinary circumstances and
keep the footprint to a minimum. Surely the President could override his
handlers and insist on it, recognizing the risk, but also recognizing the
political dividends.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

James Robinson wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:48:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:


The problem is if the Prez just does a fly-by like he did right
after New Orleans flooded he took crap for not being there.


The problem is, that the TSA/DHS doesn't understand how their VIP
TFRs hamper emergency responders' efforts.

Sure they do. SS has its priorities.



You wonder if they couldn't recognize the extraordinary circumstances
and keep the footprint to a minimum. Surely the President could
override his handlers and insist on it, recognizing the risk, but
also recognizing the political dividends.

Well, on this case, they DID recognize the circumstances and didn't
stop the airborne firefight efforts.

Yes, but only after the state officials refused to let him come unless he
did. It should have been something Bush's people offered, particularly
following the complaints after his visit four days after Katrina.

And if you believe political web sites, here is a discussion about the
photo ops that were set up after Katrina:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bu...ns_photos.html

I hope things will less orchestrated in California, but the contrived
news conference FEMA gave doesn't encourage me.

James Robinson wrote:

Yes, but only after the state officials refused to let him come
unless he did.

State officials really don't have the stroke to tell the President he can go
to California.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Yes, but only after the state officials refused to let him come
unless he did.

State officials really don't have the stroke to tell the President he
can go to California.

It's all about politics and public perception. While California couldn't
say the President couldn't come, if they wanted to undermine the president
when he made the visit, they could easily focus in on the effect of any
flight restrictions on addressing the disaster, and make it look like the
President is hindering things rather than helping.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

State officials really don't have the stroke to tell the President he can go
to California.

They can make such a trip mighty awkward, however.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

State officials really don't have the stroke to tell the President he
can go to California.

They can make such a trip mighty awkward, however.


Like it makes any difference to you, shutinboi



Bertie

On 2007-10-27 23:41:41 -0700, James Robinson said:



All Presidential TFRs have standard language like that allowing law
enforcement, emergency, and firefighting aircraft into the TFR.
California had nothing to do with it. Garamendis is taking credit for
doing nothing.

Then why was all the aerial rescue work stopped within the TFR when he
ingratiated himself to New Orleans, or was the wording something that
changed after all the criticism?

AFAIK the aerial rescue work did not all stop. What makes you think it did?
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