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We need to learn what intervention, if any, on the part of ATC. Perhaps a vector? Good question. I don't know the area, but they may not have had radar service available. I know when we go into KSLK (Saranac Lake, NY), Boston center tells us radar service is terminated, and we're going stricly by navaids. No radar vectors available because of the mountains; we have to do the full procedure. Perhaps this airport's the same; I don't know. -- Garner R. Miller ATP/CFII/MEI Clifton Park, NY =USA= |
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Garner Miller wrote:
: Good question. I don't know the area, but they may not have had radar : service available. I know when we go into KSLK (Saranac Lake, NY), : Boston center tells us radar service is terminated, and we're going : stricly by navaids. No radar vectors available because of the : mountains; we have to do the full procedure. Perhaps this airport's : the same; I don't know. It most likely is. A number of approaches in this area (like my home base) are negative radar below 5000' MSA because of the mountains. Greensboro might have had them from the flatlands there, but we'll have to wait and see. -- ************************************************** *********************** * Cory Papenfuss * * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * ************************************************** *********************** |
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Garner Miller wrote: In article , wrote: We need to learn what intervention, if any, on the part of ATC. Perhaps a vector? Good question. I don't know the area, but they may not have had radar service available. I know when we go into KSLK (Saranac Lake, NY), Boston center tells us radar service is terminated, and we're going stricly by navaids. No radar vectors available because of the mountains; we have to do the full procedure. Perhaps this airport's the same; I don't know. I've seen the Greensboro TRACON MVA chart. The MVA over the airport is 3600. To the west and northwest it is 4400; except for a circle around the Bull Mountain area where the MVA is 5200. It's 31 miles from the ASR antenna to KMTV. So, I doubt they can see them down low but probably 2,000 feet, or so, above field elevation. That would be good enough for limited vectoring but it wouldn't seem good enough for a departure or missed approach vector. If this were a major airline accident we would probably already know a lot about the ATC handling. But, like any government agency, the NTSB doesn't talk during an investigation unless politics force them to. |
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Actually the WX was
WEATHER: KMTV 241620Z AUTO 00000KT 5SM OVC006 14/13 A2998 RMK A01 LOC30 minimums with DME are 400-1, however approximately 20 aircraft, probably most with two man professional crews, had missed the approach and diverted so the weather might not have been as good on approach as it was at the airport. Ernie BE36 (E-160) KDVO "Maule Driver" wrote in message news Or perhaps no failure was involved. The reported ceiling was 100 below MDA and rising according to the sequence reports. Two pilots searching for visual contact with an airport they had gone into many times.... What I'm reminded of once again is if you fly the procedure to standard with discipline and not too much judgement, it all works. We'll just have to wait to hopefully find out. But that may never happen. "OtisWinslow" Flying the approach seems so basic .. especially with 2 pilots .. that it sure makes you wonder about a failure of some sort that distracted the crew. |
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Richard Hertz wrote: "Michelle P" wrote in message hlink.net... I have flown this approach into Martinsville, VA at night in low (under 1000 ft). in a twin. You are flying at the mountains into a "box" canyon type area. If you do the missed in-correctly you will hit the mountains. The pucker factor was high. Michelle If that approach gives a pucker factor then I suggest you get some more training. Me thinks you were not there that night, so keep your degrading opinions to your self. Michelle -- Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity |
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"Michelle P" wrote in message ink.net... Richard Hertz wrote: "Michelle P" wrote in message thlink.net... I have flown this approach into Martinsville, VA at night in low (under 1000 ft). in a twin. You are flying at the mountains into a "box" canyon type area. If you do the missed in-correctly you will hit the mountains. The pucker factor was high. Michelle If that approach gives a pucker factor then I suggest you get some more training. Me thinks you were not there that night, so keep your degrading opinions to your self. Michelle And methinks that if you have trouble with that approach then there is a problem. Why is there a problem with that approach? It is not difficult. Are you saying it is? I did not intend to be degrading, just that it is a simple approach and if it gives someone reason to pucker then perhaps they need more training to get confidence. If perhaps you meant the puckering to be from other circumstances then I cannot be held responsible as that was not stated in the original post. The pucker statement immediately followed the part about flying the missed incorectly. I can't see how it is difficult to follow the instructions on that chart. That is all. if you choose to be offended that is not my problem. -- Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity |
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