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"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message nk.net... Trying to hit an jet with a small piston single is like trying to hit a bullet with an arrow. It would be interesting to see them try. I think the point of the news stories right now is that they were going to do this while both they and the 777 were taxiing, and not while in flight. In that case, I'd have loaded up a bunch of baggage trolleys and chased after the 777 with a tug. |
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Rosspilot wrote:
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later: http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/ This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET post to which I'm replying. But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip much longer. Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his intentions? - Andrew |
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Andrew Gideon wrote:
Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his intentions? Hmm. The NYTimes article was *very* different from that of the Post. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/nyregion/29PLAN.html For example: At 1:45 p.m. yesterday, the small plane was flying below 1,000 feet when it crossed south over the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge and passed through La Guardia's airspace, Mr. Peters said. Air traffic controllers at La Guardia tried to contact the pilot, but were unsuccessful, Mr. Peters said. But the Post article said: Langone said that once he was over the East River, he received a radio call telling him he'd entered La Guardia airspace. He answered that he was heading back to Republic, but after passing the Brooklyn Bridge and heading for the harbor, he decided to first take a sightseeing loop around the Statue of Liberty. Who reached him, if Laguardia didn't? - Andrew |
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"Marco Leon" mleon(at)optonline.net wrote in message news:3ff03473 ....The plane is tied down 10 spots away from mine at Republic Airport in NY. Drop over some time and strike up a conversation. I'd love to know if this guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate. JG |
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Are you at Echo? I don't know the guy personally so I can't really comment.
He apparently was very apologetic according tot the various news reports and didn't deny his mistake. Facts are facts though. The guy is in serious need of pilotage training and needs to make use of the Terminal chart! In the meantime, he should invest in a nice handheld GPS if they don't take his ticket away. I just hope this incident won't have permanent effects on our privileges in NY or on GA in general. The Hudson River airspace exists on fragile grounds as it is. Marco "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Marco Leon" mleon(at)optonline.net wrote in message news:3ff03473 ....The plane is tied down 10 spots away from mine at Republic Airport in NY. Drop over some time and strike up a conversation. I'd love to know if this guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate. JG Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Who knows what really happened but one scenario could be that he was already
well on his way down the East River before they were able to contact him on one of the common frequencies (123.075 or 123.05 for East and Hudson respectively). When they did contact him, they may have only informed him of the airspace incursion and not told him he was in deep doo doo. A reply of, "Roger, I'm enroute back to FRG" would seem reasonable. Since he was already heading south and not thinking he was in trouble, he may have just done what he intended to do and circle the Lady. According to the various articles, he was not intercepted until the Verrazano Bridge so he may have thought the call was just a slap on the wrist until then. Keep in mind, this is TOTAL speculation on my part. I agree with you on the newsmedia sensationalism affecting GA. That's part of the reason why people join AOPA isn't it? Marco "Andrew Gideon" wrote in message online.com... Rosspilot wrote: http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later: http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/ This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET post to which I'm replying. But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip much longer. Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his intentions? - Andrew Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m In that case, I'd have loaded up a bunch of baggage trolleys and chased after the 777 with a tug. That would work quite well, but one of the goals of a "terrorist" is the psychological effect of the attack. Using the tug and luggage train wouldn't be nearly as spectacular/sensational as using another airplane. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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I passed through the Hudson corridor with my wife maybe 15 minutes before
that guy... "Rosspilot" wrote in message ... http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm www.Rosspilot.com |
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Was that his path? Did he come down the Hudson then turn left at the Harlem
river and decide to go down the east side of Manhattan? "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Jonathan Goodish wrote: I can accept making the mistake and busting the Class B... I'm not sure that I can. The Hudson is a straight and wide waterway at that point, and there's this rather large, easily identifiable city just to the left of it. Taking a sharp 90 degree turn up that creek they call the Harlem River goes way beyond "getting lost". George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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I dunno... Coming up from the NJ side, like over BLM area, I could see
momentarily confusing the Brooklyn Bridge for the Verrazzano (sp?) if you haven't done it before... But I would think that you would have it figured out by the time you hit Governer's Island area, especially if you're from LI! Oh well. People screw up. And I suspect without Orange colored Panic Buttons, and a leak to FOX News or NY Post or whomever it was that "broke" the story, it wouldn't have even been that big of an issue... Maybe the world will realize how ludicrous it is to think that they could respond quickly enough to a terrorist attack from a GA Airplane in a TFR and drop the whole idea anyway... Ouch! Oh darn, I just woke up... "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in : Jonathan Goodish wrote: I can accept making the mistake and busting the Class B... I'm not sure that I can. The Hudson is a straight and wide waterway at that point, and there's this rather large, easily identifiable city just to the left of it. Taking a sharp 90 degree turn up that creek they call the Harlem River goes way beyond "getting lost". George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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