We Are All Spaniards

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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??? IIRC, "Palestine" is a subset.


A subset of what?

In 1923 the British separated the Palestine Mandate at the Jordan River.
The portion of Palestine east of the Jordan, about three fourths of the
total area, became Transjordan and Jews were not permitted to settle there.
A few years later the British added the area of desert connecting
Transjordan with Iraq. In 1946 Transjordan became an independent nation and
was renamed Jordan.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Martin Hotze wrote:

"S Green" wrote:


How many Americans register to vote and how many actually do? Democracy
means fig all when you are struggling to survive when others get fat
through
abusing the democratic processes.


democracy is dictatorship of the majority.



Which is why we don't have that here.

No its dictatorship by the minority

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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1. Spaniards changed their vote not because of terror, but because the
government manipulated the information regarding the terror attacks
and tried to mislead the people for their own advantage (ring a
bell?).

If you read the entire thread, you will find that you have missed this
salient point: It doesn't matter one whit if the Spanish voted for the
Socialists because they were influenced by Martians. Rather, what matters
is this: The terrorists must now perceive that elections and troop
deployments can be influenced by indiscriminate attacks on innocent "soft"
targets.

The terrorists are not stupid, they know why the voted as they did and will
not delude themselves. You delude yourself that the terrorists are dim
enough not realise that.

I cannot honestly believe that you think that the Spanish people should have
voted to re elect a self confessed government of liars and cheats just to
look hard.

The vote is the only weapon we have to punish politicians.

The politicians cocked it up not the Spanish people just as the politicians
have cocked up the whole war against terror/Iraq with their lies and
economies with the truth.

They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.

So their goal is conquest then.


Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to take back
what was stolen from you?

Of course you go back far enough everything was stolen. But if no action is
taken, the strip stays on the console.

Jose


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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to
take back what was stolen from you?


What was stolen? Who took it?

Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to
take back what was stolen from you?

What was stolen? Who took it? [ Palastinians]


I don't know. However I believe that the Palistinians believe that their land
was stolen from them and they want it back. Everyone seems to have a claim on
the Holy Land, and everyone believes that the other's claims are invalid.

I don't know which is right (and don't want to get into the specifics here).
The question stands as above - in theory, if some country conquers land, and
the conquered nation attempts to take it back, would you characterize this
attempt as an attempt at conquest?

Knowing how you are using the words helps avoid misunderstanding them.

Jose

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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I don't know. However I believe that the Palistinians believe that
their land was stolen from them and they want it back.


It wasn't stolen, they abandoned it. The Jews forced no Arabs off their
land. Many Arabs, those that are referred to as Palestinians, abandoned
their land in 1948 at the behest of their fellow Arabs in Jordan, Syria,
etc. They were to leave while the Arab states forced the Jews off their
lands and drove them into the sea, then the Arabs would return and have all
of the land. Israel would not exist. But the Arabs lost the war, and those
that had abandoned their land within the new state of Israel were now
homeless. The Arabs that didn't abandon their land are now citizens of
Israel. They vote, hold seats in the Knesset, and have the highest standard
of living among any Arabs in the world. Other than the relative few that
control large quantities of oil, of course.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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As did Dean before the primaries. What's your point? We should
appoint politicians based on polls?


The previous poster said the real reason the incumbent party was voted out
was because the Spaniards were dissatisfied with them. But the incumbent
party had a large lead in the polls just prior to the attack, so that
seems
unlikely. That's the point.

The incumbent party got caught in some major lies just before the election.
Based on that the results are not surprising at all.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:14:05 -0600, Frank wrote:

We (the world) will only defeat terrorism if we treat it as a problem to be
solved rather than a war to be won. In some cases force will be effective.
In some cases humamitarian efforts will do more. In some cases we may have
to swallow some unpleasantness and do something we'd rather not. In all
cases we should be looking to measure the results to see if we really are
being effective.

well put.

#m

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On 19 Mar 2004 16:18:08 -0800, pacplyer wrote:

Freedom Alex, is exactly what the sole remaining superpower says it
is. Unlike most Americans, I don't believe that everyone deserves it.

Freedom has to be earned.

I think a population has to be brave enough to overthrow their own
despots. I think Jay is right about random bombers. Kill them all.
Issue a new deck of terrorist cards and make those cards redeemable
for large amounts of compensation when they are returned along with
said terrrorist's head in a sack.

well, and who makes the list and who makes one a terrorist? CIA? FBI? NATO?
EU? Vatican? The mayor of Otumba, IO?

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their networks to support easy wiretapping by police.
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