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Is Bowing Competent For NextGen ATC?
Four months late due to software integration and other issues: Republicans and Democrats criticized BOEING CO. (BA) and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa., who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. (Reuters 07:32 PM ET 10/24/2007) Mo http://q1.schwab.com/s/r?l=248&a=140...a&s=rb071 024 ----------------------------------- http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...rity_glitches/ Boeing criticized over border security glitches By Jim Wolf | October 24, 2007 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans and Democrats criticized Boeing Co and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, a Pennsylvania Democrat who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. "SBInet is not a new concept," said Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat. "It is the department's third border security technology program." Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. "Among several technical problems reported were that it was taking too long for radar information to display in command centers and newly deployed radars were being activated by rain, making the system unusable," Richard Stana of the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office testified. Chicago-based Boeing's work on the project "has not been accepted by the government and will not be accepted until Boeing resolves a number of integration and software issues," Gregory Giddens, head of SBInet, told the hearing. A senior Boeing official, Roger Krone, testified: "Today, the system is substantially improved." "The system is consistently able to slew to new radar targets and successfully record people crossing the border," said Krone, president of Boeing's network and space systems business unit. "Camera elevation difficulties have been fixed and a solution for radar display delays has been implemented." Project 28's problems also drew barbs from the top Republicans on the subcommittee on management, investigations and oversight and the subcommittee on border, maritime and global counter-terrorism. "The American people deserve better border security than what these millions of dollars have bought so far," said Rep. Mark Souder of Indiana, the top Republican on the border subcommittee. Projected by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials to cost as much as $8.8 billion over the next six years, SBInet features ground-based and tower-mounted sensors, cameras and radar plus high-speed communications, command and control equipment and devices that detect tunnels. ------------------------------------ http://www.boeing.com/ids/advanced_s...t_p28_0407.pdf Backgrounder Integrated Defense Systems P.O. Box 516 St. Louis, MO 63166 www.boeing.comSBIinet Project 28 Background: On October 20, 2006, U.S. Customs and Border Protection issued a Task Order (TO) associated with the SBIinet Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity contract awarded in September 2006 to Boeing Corporation. As part of the TO, dubbed Project 28, The Boeing Company-led team will provide the equipment and services necessary to achieve effective control of a minimum of 28 miles of U.S.-Mexico border west of Nogales (flanking the Sasabe Port Of Entry (POE). Value, Contract Type: •$20M Firm Fixed Price Boeing’s Role: •Boeing is the lead systems integrator for SBIinet responsible for acquiring, deploying and sustaining technology and tactical infrastructure in support of Customs and Border Protection’s border security mission and under the direction and guidance of the CBP SBInet PMO. Fast Facts: •SBIinet will: oDeliver the ability to detect entries into the U.S. when they occur; identify what the entry is; and eventually classify its level of threat (who they are, what they are doing, how many, etc.); allowing Border Patrol to effectively and efficiently respond to the entry, and; resolve the situation with appropriate law enforcement. oProvide a highly reliable, available, maintainable, and cost effective solution to strengthen the management, control and security of the border using the right mix of proven current and next generation technology, tactical infrastructure, personnel, response capabilities and processes. oEnsure that CBP mission requirements are met to provide enhanced situational awareness and a faster more measured response to illegal border activity. June 2007 oDeploy a Common Operating Picture (COP), in CBP user vehicles that provides agents with accurate, near real-time knowledge of both CBP assets and intruder locations. oImplement a communications system that enables Border Patrol agents to communicate with each other, border stations, sectors and other law enforcement personnel. Technical Project 28 Specifications: •28-miles represent up to the 16.5 miles west and 11.5 miles east of the Sasabe POE •9 redeployable sensor towers with associated sensors to improve detection identification and classification •2 Command, Control and Communications (C3) units to enable situation awareness •Retrofit 50 agent vehicles to provide rugged, secure, mounted laptop computers to enable displays of COP data •50 satellite phones to improve communications •3 Rapid Response Transports to increase the speed of transportation of illegal immigrants from point of capture to detention facilities •4 Unattended Ground Systems to provide additional security for the redeployable sensor towers Project 28 Management/ Roles & Responsibilities: •The Boeing Company is responsible for the Project 28 project plan; architecture and design; systems engineering; production; integration and testing; laydown and design; deployment; and maintenance and support. •CBP SBIinet Program Management Office (PMO), acting as the executive agent on behalf of DHS, will oversee and manage the Boeing-led contractor team. •CBP has been designated as the DHS executive agent for the SBInet program, and has established a Program Management Office to ensure the Government has the adequate oversight of the SBInet. •CBP SBIinet PMO is responsible for customer/user needs, goals and objectives; requirements; mission engineering; requirements analysis and allocation; operational testing and system acceptance. Contacts: Deborah Bosick Eric Mazzacone Boeing IDS Communications Boeing IDS Communications (703) 872-4505 (703) 872-4588 deborah.d.bosick@boeing -------------------------------------- http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/154728 "We chose the most difficult, highest-trafficked piece of Arizona because we wanted to take on the challenges that we would have to take on someday," said Brian Seagrave, vice president for border security at Unisys Corp., a technology services and solutions company that will provide the information systems expertise. Boeing Co. will earn $67 million to administer the so-called "Project 28" in Arizona, which it will use to evaluate the SBInet and improve it for implementation along 6,000 miles of northern and southern border. The final costs of the project are unknown, but experts have predicted it could cost about $2 billion over six years. -------------------------------- |
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Is Bowing Competent For NextGen ATC?
Competency and the FAA is an Oxy-Moron. It matters none that
a contractor is competent or if managers within the FAA are competent within the Washington D.C. retard zone. FAA Management Priority in order of rank 1. ****ing away tax money on big political contractors(Boeing certainly qualifies) 2. "Kissing the Black Ass" and Diversity boondoggle conferences at resort casinos in Las Vegas 3. Promoting unqualified minority's into upper FAA management 4. Hiring Ex-Airline flunkies into FAA senior management 5. Snowing the American public with PR smoke and mirror BS .. .. .. .. 289. FAA Controllers and FAA Technicians 290. Safety of the flying public Larry Dighera wrote: Four months late due to software integration and other issues: Republicans and Democrats criticized BOEING CO. (BA) and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa., who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. (Reuters 07:32 PM ET 10/24/2007) Mo http://q1.schwab.com/s/r?l=248&a=140...a&s=rb071 024 ----------------------------------- http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...rity_glitches/ Boeing criticized over border security glitches By Jim Wolf | October 24, 2007 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans and Democrats criticized Boeing Co and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, a Pennsylvania Democrat who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. "SBInet is not a new concept," said Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat. "It is the department's third border security technology program." Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. "Among several technical problems reported were that it was taking too long for radar information to display in command centers and newly deployed radars were being activated by rain, making the system unusable," Richard Stana of the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office testified. Chicago-based Boeing's work on the project "has not been accepted by the government and will not be accepted until Boeing resolves a number of integration and software issues," Gregory Giddens, head of SBInet, told the hearing. A senior Boeing official, Roger Krone, testified: "Today, the system is substantially improved." "The system is consistently able to slew to new radar targets and successfully record people crossing the border," said Krone, president of Boeing's network and space systems business unit. "Camera elevation difficulties have been fixed and a solution for radar display delays has been implemented." Project 28's problems also drew barbs from the top Republicans on the subcommittee on management, investigations and oversight and the subcommittee on border, maritime and global counter-terrorism. "The American people deserve better border security than what these millions of dollars have bought so far," said Rep. Mark Souder of Indiana, the top Republican on the border subcommittee. Projected by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials to cost as much as $8.8 billion over the next six years, SBInet features ground-based and tower-mounted sensors, cameras and radar plus high-speed communications, command and control equipment and devices that detect tunnels. ------------------------------------ http://www.boeing.com/ids/advanced_s...t_p28_0407.pdf Backgrounder Integrated Defense Systems P.O. Box 516 St. Louis, MO 63166 www.boeing.comSBIinet Project 28 Background: On October 20, 2006, U.S. Customs and Border Protection issued a Task Order (TO) associated with the SBIinet Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity contract awarded in September 2006 to Boeing Corporation. As part of the TO, dubbed Project 28, The Boeing Company-led team will provide the equipment and services necessary to achieve effective control of a minimum of 28 miles of U.S.-Mexico border west of Nogales (flanking the Sasabe Port Of Entry (POE). Value, Contract Type: •$20M Firm Fixed Price Boeing’s Role: •Boeing is the lead systems integrator for SBIinet responsible for acquiring, deploying and sustaining technology and tactical infrastructure in support of Customs and Border Protection’s border security mission and under the direction and guidance of the CBP SBInet PMO. Fast Facts: •SBIinet will: oDeliver the ability to detect entries into the U.S. when they occur; identify what the entry is; and eventually classify its level of threat (who they are, what they are doing, how many, etc.); allowing Border Patrol to effectively and efficiently respond to the entry, and; resolve the situation with appropriate law enforcement. oProvide a highly reliable, available, maintainable, and cost effective solution to strengthen the management, control and security of the border using the right mix of proven current and next generation technology, tactical infrastructure, personnel, response capabilities and processes. oEnsure that CBP mission requirements are met to provide enhanced situational awareness and a faster more measured response to illegal border activity. June 2007 oDeploy a Common Operating Picture (COP), in CBP user vehicles that provides agents with accurate, near real-time knowledge of both CBP assets and intruder locations. oImplement a communications system that enables Border Patrol agents to communicate with each other, border stations, sectors and other law enforcement personnel. Technical Project 28 Specifications: •28-miles represent up to the 16.5 miles west and 11.5 miles east of the Sasabe POE •9 redeployable sensor towers with associated sensors to improve detection identification and classification •2 Command, Control and Communications (C3) units to enable situation awareness •Retrofit 50 agent vehicles to provide rugged, secure, mounted laptop computers to enable displays of COP data •50 satellite phones to improve communications •3 Rapid Response Transports to increase the speed of transportation of illegal immigrants from point of capture to detention facilities •4 Unattended Ground Systems to provide additional security for the redeployable sensor towers Project 28 Management/ Roles & Responsibilities: •The Boeing Company is responsible for the Project 28 project plan; architecture and design; systems engineering; production; integration and testing; laydown and design; deployment; and maintenance and support. •CBP SBIinet Program Management Office (PMO), acting as the executive agent on behalf of DHS, will oversee and manage the Boeing-led contractor team. •CBP has been designated as the DHS executive agent for the SBInet program, and has established a Program Management Office to ensure the Government has the adequate oversight of the SBInet. •CBP SBIinet PMO is responsible for customer/user needs, goals and objectives; requirements; mission engineering; requirements analysis and allocation; operational testing and system acceptance. Contacts: Deborah Bosick Eric Mazzacone Boeing IDS Communications Boeing IDS Communications (703) 872-4505 (703) 872-4588 deborah.d.bosick@boeing -------------------------------------- http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/154728 "We chose the most difficult, highest-trafficked piece of Arizona because we wanted to take on the challenges that we would have to take on someday," said Brian Seagrave, vice president for border security at Unisys Corp., a technology services and solutions company that will provide the information systems expertise. Boeing Co. will earn $67 million to administer the so-called "Project 28" in Arizona, which it will use to evaluate the SBInet and improve it for implementation along 6,000 miles of northern and southern border. The final costs of the project are unknown, but experts have predicted it could cost about $2 billion over six years. -------------------------------- |
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Larry Dighera wrote: The subject line above.
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So you feel that House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management's criticism of Boeing's performance on their $20 million demonstration system is unwarranted due to SBInet being a development project rather than a proven product? Wouldn't you expect a contractor to have the foresight to factor that into their contract proposal? Would you characterize NextGen ATC as also being a development project? Because NextGen ATC will surely employ massive amounts of software, do you find it ironic that "software integration" was cited as a cause for the Boeing's requiring 33% more time beyond the contracted completion date? Do you think it is unfair to extrapolate from Boeing's failure to meet the terms of this relatively small SBInet contract, and project software issues causing significant negative impact on the likelihood of Boeing meeting completion and performance targets of the proposed massive NextGen ACT revamp should Boeing be awarded that contract? How do you feel about funding NextGen ATC development and implementation in light of Boeing's questionable performance on the SBInet contract, and Lockheed-Martin's lack of planning that was cited as the cause of their Flight Service Station modernization effort resulting in FAA fines under their contract? On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:21:17 -0700, Richard Riley wrote in : 4 months late on a pilot project to do a demonstration implementation of a completely untried, totally undeveloped system that was sold in the conceptual stage. And those damned Boeing people aren't even asking for more. They're continuing to work on it on their own money. Let's make sure we never spend another dime with those guys. Everyone knows that development programs happen on schedule and on budget. If not, the people who are running the program are morons or crooks. We can schedule technological breakthroughs, delete any problems before they come up and assure complete success at a bargain basement price. Better. Faster. Cheaper. We can do it all. /sarc On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:32:45 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote: Four months late due to software integration and other issues: Republicans and Democrats criticized BOEING CO. (BA) and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa., who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. (Reuters 07:32 PM ET 10/24/2007) Mo http://q1.schwab.com/s/r?l=248&a=140...a&s=rb071 024 ----------------------------------- http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...rity_glitches/ Boeing criticized over border security glitches By Jim Wolf | October 24, 2007 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans and Democrats criticized Boeing Co and the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday for a belated, glitch-plagued security pilot program being set up along 28 miles of the Arizona-Mexico border. The program is to create a mix of security infrastructure including fencing plus cameras, sensors and radar to help U.S. border patrol agents detect illegal entries. "I'm afraid this is just another example of a contractor pitching the American public the end-all/be-all solution and instead, wasting taxpayer money to deliver nothing more than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Christopher Carney, a Pennsylvania Democrat who heads the House of Representatives' Homeland Security subcommittee on management. Boeing was chosen in September 2006 to lead the technology segment of a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to secure U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. Project 28, as Boeing's $20 million demonstration system is known, is designed to showcase the technology's effectiveness for a larger Department of Homeland Security effort called the Secure Border Initiative, or SBInet. "SBInet is not a new concept," said Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat. "It is the department's third border security technology program." Boeing's pilot program is facing software integration and other problems more than four months after it was to have entered service, congressional investigators told a hearing of two Homeland Security subcommittees. "Among several technical problems reported were that it was taking too long for radar information to display in command centers and newly deployed radars were being activated by rain, making the system unusable," Richard Stana of the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office testified. Chicago-based Boeing's work on the project "has not been accepted by the government and will not be accepted until Boeing resolves a number of integration and software issues," Gregory Giddens, head of SBInet, told the hearing. A senior Boeing official, Roger Krone, testified: "Today, the system is substantially improved." "The system is consistently able to slew to new radar targets and successfully record people crossing the border," said Krone, president of Boeing's network and space systems business unit. "Camera elevation difficulties have been fixed and a solution for radar display delays has been implemented." Project 28's problems also drew barbs from the top Republicans on the subcommittee on management, investigations and oversight and the subcommittee on border, maritime and global counter-terrorism. "The American people deserve better border security than what these millions of dollars have bought so far," said Rep. Mark Souder of Indiana, the top Republican on the border subcommittee. Projected by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials to cost as much as $8.8 billion over the next six years, SBInet features ground-based and tower-mounted sensors, cameras and radar plus high-speed communications, command and control equipment and devices that detect tunnels. ------------------------------------ http://www.boeing.com/ids/advanced_s...t_p28_0407.pdf Backgrounder Integrated Defense Systems P.O. Box 516 St. Louis, MO 63166 www.boeing.comSBIinet Project 28 Background: On October 20, 2006, U.S. Customs and Border Protection issued a Task Order (TO) associated with the SBIinet Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity contract awarded in September 2006 to Boeing Corporation. As part of the TO, dubbed Project 28, The Boeing Company-led team will provide the equipment and services necessary to achieve effective control of a minimum of 28 miles of U.S.-Mexico border west of Nogales (flanking the Sasabe Port Of Entry (POE). Value, Contract Type: •$20M Firm Fixed Price Boeing’s Role: •Boeing is the lead systems integrator for SBIinet responsible for acquiring, deploying and sustaining technology and tactical infrastructure in support of Customs and Border Protection’s border security mission and under the direction and guidance of the CBP SBInet PMO. Fast Facts: •SBIinet will: oDeliver the ability to detect entries into the U.S. when they occur; identify what the entry is; and eventually classify its level of threat (who they are, what they are doing, how many, etc.); allowing Border Patrol to effectively and efficiently respond to the entry, and; resolve the situation with appropriate law enforcement. oProvide a highly reliable, available, maintainable, and cost effective solution to strengthen the management, control and security of the border using the right mix of proven current and next generation technology, tactical infrastructure, personnel, response capabilities and processes. oEnsure that CBP mission requirements are met to provide enhanced situational awareness and a faster more measured response to illegal border activity. June 2007 oDeploy a Common Operating Picture (COP), in CBP user vehicles that provides agents with accurate, near real-time knowledge of both CBP assets and intruder locations. oImplement a communications system that enables Border Patrol agents to communicate with each other, border stations, sectors and other law enforcement personnel. Technical Project 28 Specifications: •28-miles represent up to the 16.5 miles west and 11.5 miles east of the Sasabe POE •9 redeployable sensor towers with associated sensors to improve detection identification and classification •2 Command, Control and Communications (C3) units to enable situation awareness •Retrofit 50 agent vehicles to provide rugged, secure, mounted laptop computers to enable displays of COP data •50 satellite phones to improve communications •3 Rapid Response Transports to increase the speed of transportation of illegal immigrants from point of capture to detention facilities •4 Unattended Ground Systems to provide additional security for the redeployable sensor towers Project 28 Management/ Roles & Responsibilities: •The Boeing Company is responsible for the Project 28 project plan; architecture and design; systems engineering; production; integration and testing; laydown and design; deployment; and maintenance and support. •CBP SBIinet Program Management Office (PMO), acting as the executive agent on behalf of DHS, will oversee and manage the Boeing-led contractor team. •CBP has been designated as the DHS executive agent for the SBInet program, and has established a Program Management Office to ensure the Government has the adequate oversight of the SBInet. •CBP SBIinet PMO is responsible for customer/user needs, goals and objectives; requirements; mission engineering; requirements analysis and allocation; operational testing and system acceptance. Contacts: Deborah Bosick Eric Mazzacone Boeing IDS Communications Boeing IDS Communications (703) 872-4505 (703) 872-4588 deborah.d.bosick@boeing -------------------------------------- http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/154728 "We chose the most difficult, highest-trafficked piece of Arizona because we wanted to take on the challenges that we would have to take on someday," said Brian Seagrave, vice president for border security at Unisys Corp., a technology services and solutions company that will provide the information systems expertise. Boeing Co. will earn $67 million to administer the so-called "Project 28" in Arizona, which it will use to evaluate the SBInet and improve it for implementation along 6,000 miles of northern and southern border. The final costs of the project are unknown, but experts have predicted it could cost about $2 billion over six years. -------------------------------- |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:17:28 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: The subject line above. Bowing, really? Those sharp Ozarkian eyes of yours sure were quick to spot my error. The 'W' key is adjacent to the 'E' key on QWERTY keyboards. Please accept my sincere apology for this offending typographic error. :-) |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:17:28 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: The subject line above. Bowing, really? Those sharp Ozarkian eyes of yours sure were quick to spot my error. The 'W' key is adjacent to the 'E' key on QWERTY keyboards. Please accept my sincere apology for this offending typographic error. :-) Well it's just that you are usually so good at cutting and pasting. BTW. Please check location of KELD. Ozark mountains are a long way off. In fact, there is a whole other mountain range between here and there. |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:13:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Well it's just that you are usually so good at cutting and pasting. Thank you. I don't know what that has to do with an original Subject line, but... I include a lot of the research material I find in my articles for several reasons: 1. Web-page content tends to become unavailable as it ages. 2. It makes it easier for the reader to view background material. 3. It is independently created, and thus not viewed as my opinion. 4. It lends credibility to the validity of the subject. 5. It remains in the deja.com Usenet archive for decades facilitating further research. For those reasons, I wish others would adopt the practice of quoting credible source material in their articles, including URLs. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:13:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Well it's just that you are usually so good at cutting and pasting. Thank you. I don't know what that has to do with an original Subject line, but... Christ Larry, learn to take a joke. |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:42:46 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:13:49 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Well it's just that you are usually so good at cutting and pasting. Thank you. I don't know what that has to do with an original Subject line, but... Christ Larry, learn to take a joke. Most jokes are funny. I fail to perceive any humor in your comment, but I do find it useful for elucidating my rationale for including reference material in my articles. Perhaps you might consider inserting a :-) in your comments that are not meant to be taken literally. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:17:28 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: The subject line above. Bowing, really? Those sharp Ozarkian eyes of yours sure were quick to spot my error. The 'W' key is adjacent to the 'E' key on QWERTY keyboards. Please accept my sincere apology for this offending typographic error. :-) Well it's just that you are usually so good at cutting and pasting. BTW. Please check location of KELD. Ozark mountains are a long way off. In fact, there is a whole other mountain range between here and there. So, not only is he typing challenged, he's geographically challenged as well (we won't even go into "mentally challenged"). |
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