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What airplane is in this video?
Can anyone ID the model of the plane that has the accident in this video
(accident appears near the end): http://www.vimeo.com/4906010 I can't make out the design on the tail, which might indicate the owner or operator. I'm guessing this happened in western Canada or in Alaska - but I suppose could have happened a lot of places. I'm curious when and where and what happened, but the poster of the video provides no details. I assume the nose wheel raising early indicates attempt at soft-field takeoff, but things went wrong during acceleration in ground effect? |
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What airplane is in this video?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:27:04 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote in :
Can anyone ID the model of the plane that has the accident in this video (accident appears near the end): http://www.vimeo.com/4906010 Looks to me like a Twin Otter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...C-6_Twin_Otter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tw...1997-08-02.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TWIN_otter.jpg Another version of the video calls it a Twin Otter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4 I can't make out the design on the tail, which might indicate the owner or operator. I'm guessing this happened in western Canada or in Alaska - but I suppose could have happened a lot of places. I'm curious when and where and what happened, but the poster of the video provides no details. I assume the nose wheel raising early indicates attempt at soft-field takeoff, but things went wrong during acceleration in ground effect? Maybe high altitude, too? It looks to me as though the terrain drops away on the other side of the road. +++++++++++ Maybe an imprudent turn with insufficient altitude and airspeed: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dXhHxY2O4WkJ:gimliglider.com/2009/05/28/air-disaster-video-captured-on-cam-by-witness-twin-otter-aircraft-in-bc-canada-stalls-crashes-right-after-take-off/+%22twin+otter%22+crash+%22british+columbia%22&cd= 10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us According to investigators, on July [8], 2007, the pilot-in-command of this Twin Otter aircraft was trying to avoid a high tensile-wire telephone line by turning the aircraft prematurely to the right during taking off from a gravel airstrip 250 km northwest of Fort Nelson, British Columbia, Canada. As a result the stall occurred at a dangerously low altitude and crashed. There were 5 souls on board, of which two were pilots, one elderly man who subsequently died, a teenager and a female passenger. The pilots and the teenager were taken to the hospital with non life-threatening injuries while the female passenger luckily escaped unharmed. [Date corrected. The accident took place on July 8.] http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col.../bc-crash.html A picture of the accident aircraft on a happier day: http://www.airlinefan.com/airline-photos/1626010/Liard-Air-LTD./De-Havilland-Canada/DHC-6-Twin-Otter/C-FAWC/ C-FAWC Liard Air LTD. More pix: http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/3713920525/ http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=C-FAWC http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/085906.html Flight Safety Foundation details, with video: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070708-0 Still searching for a final disposition by Canadian TSB ... Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. |
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What airplane is in this video?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:27:04 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote in :
Can anyone ID the model of the plane that has the accident in this video (accident appears near the end): http://www.vimeo.com/4906010 Another photo of the accident aircraft on the gravel airstrip in Muncho Lake: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Liard-Air/De-Havilland-Canada/0270323/&sid=c039a8407ce38e2b5e995b18ebb19352 This fellow claims it was the home base for Liard Air: http://www.airlinefan.com/airline-photos/airline/1364/Liard-Air-LTD./ C-FAWC on the airstrip: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Liard-Air/De-Havilland-Canada/0270322&tbl=photo_info+pi&photo_nr=3&sok=+%28pi.pl ace+%3D+%27Muncho+Lake%27%29+&sort=_order_by_photo _id_DESC_&prev_id=0270323&next_id=NEXTID The photo or painting that was on the vertical stab is on this page as well: http://www.northernrockieslodge.com/ Got the TSB Canada number for the incident: A07W0128. And here's the TSB report: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/download/file.php?id=2071 Sad and fascinating reading. The short story: Findings as to Causes and Contributing Factors 1. The take-off was attempted at an aircraft weight that did not meet the performance capabilities of the aircraft to clear an obstacle and, as a result, the aircraft struck a telephone pole and a telephone cable during the initial climb. 2. A take-off and climb to 50 feet performance calculation was not completed prior to take-off; therefore, the flight crew was unaware of the distance required to clear the telephone cable. 3. The southeast end of the airstrip was not clearly marked; as a result, the take-off was initiated with approximately 86 feet of usable airstrip behind the aircraft. 4. The take-off was attempted in an upslope direction and in light tailwind, both of which increased the distance necessary to clear the existing obstacles. Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. |
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What airplane is in this video?
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:27:04 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote in : Can anyone ID the model of the plane that has the accident in this video (accident appears near the end): http://www.vimeo.com/4906010 Looks to me like a Twin Otter: Thanks Martin - quick and thorough work! Another version of the video calls it a Twin Otter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4 I came across the video on Vimeo but not knowing the make I couldn't find if it was also on Youtube. So many plane crash videos there. :-( Maybe high altitude, too? It looks to me as though the terrain drops away on the other side of the road. Hmmm - maybe. Muncho Lake is around 2700 ft. Accident was in the summer - high density altitude possibly a contributing factor. But check the comments in the forum link I give below. Flight Safety Foundation details, with video: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070708-0 Still searching for a final disposition by Canadian TSB ... Found this thread where this accident has been discussed (and points to earlier threads): http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...p?f=54&t=56633 One post that was made just a few weeks ago claims TSB released the report but they hadn't been posted to their web site. Side note: my wife and I traveled the Alaska highway a few years back and drove by Muncho Lake - probably not far from where that airplane crashed. Scenic landscapes for sure. |
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What airplane is in this video?
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote:
Got the TSB Canada number for the incident: A07W0128. And here's the TSB report: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/download/file.php?id=2071 Sad and fascinating reading. Indeed. I do recall seeing that airfield the one time we passed through the area. The short story: Findings as to Causes and Contributing Factors 1. The take-off was attempted at an aircraft weight that did not meet the performance capabilities of the aircraft to clear an obstacle and, as a result, the aircraft struck a telephone pole and a telephone cable during the initial climb. 2. A take-off and climb to 50 feet performance calculation was not completed prior to take-off; therefore, the flight crew was unaware of the distance required to clear the telephone cable. 3. The southeast end of the airstrip was not clearly marked; as a result, the take-off was initiated with approximately 86 feet of usable airstrip behind the aircraft. 4. The take-off was attempted in an upslope direction and in light tailwind, both of which increased the distance necessary to clear the existing obstacles. Marty |
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What airplane is in this video?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:34:45 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote in :
Maybe high altitude, too? It looks to me as though the terrain drops away on the other side of the road. Hmmm - maybe. Muncho Lake is around 2700 ft. Accident was in the summer - high density altitude possibly a contributing factor. High-weight takeoffs had worked in cooler temps and with more favorable winds, according to the company logs. But check the comments in the forum link I give below. Found this thread where this accident has been discussed (and points to earlier threads): http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...p?f=54&t=56633 Yes. That's the forum that had the report in it as an attachment. Different thread: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=43761&start=0 One post that was made just a few weeks ago claims TSB released the report but they hadn't been posted to their web site. That's how it looked to me, too. The accident doesn't show up in their listing by year: http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-re...2007/index.asp I couldn't find any other search engine for TSB Canada, either. Side note: my wife and I traveled the Alaska highway a few years back and drove by Muncho Lake - probably not far from where that airplane crashed. Scenic landscapes for sure. The road between the lodge and the accident airstrip IS the Alaska highway. You drove right by it, apparently. "After becoming airborne, the aircraft entered a right turn and the right outboard flap hanger contacted the Alaska Highway. The aircraft subsequently struck a telephone pole and a telephone cable, impacted the edge of the highway a second time, and crashed onto a rocky embankment adjacent to a dry creek channel." A very, very sad accident. High-time pilots but relatively new to the Otter and to Liard. Long, convoluted accident chain ... Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. |
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