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"Bob Coe" wrote in message news:RavYc.15665$ni.6189@okepread01... "ArtKramr" wrote Then a 4 month rush of wounds and Purple Hearts,and he's on his way home. Same with a lot of guys who hit Omaha Beach, The Hurtgen Forest and Bastogne. I thought you were at 10,000 feet? How would you know? One minute he is telling us he was at 10K feet, the next he is telling us he was in the trenches during the Ardennes Campaign. Actually, Art's stories are beginning to sound a lot like Kerry's--lots of contradictions created by the storyteller himself, and repeated refusal to address those contradictions. Brooks |
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Olivers wrote:
sanjian extrapolated from data available... Jack wrote: William Black wrote: With the exception of a few like Kerry, who was almost certainly considering a political career even then, did anyone WANT to go to Vietnam to fight? Yes, plenty of USAF, Navy and Marine, and Army rated officers wanted to go there and did. You may be surprised to know how many of them agree with Mr. Black. It's important to realize that most active duty officers in the US military in the years in question were not "professionals" or as many of us reserve officers spoke of them, "Lifers".... Having been in the USAF through those years I am well aware of both your and Black's points. It should be noted that even though we might assume that true volunteers for VN were in the minority even among rated officers, those who did volunteer were not only those with political and/or professional ambitions, but also included those with a sincere desire to contribute to our country's stated goals, even as Reserve or "non-professional" officers. I have not decided for myself yet whether it was we true believers, or those unfortunates who were not so much in control of their own destinies, who mere more poorly served by the misapplication of American power in SEA. Certainly all were misused, though some satisfied their personal goals in spite of that and are the better for it. Jack |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:00:32 -0500, Leslie Swartz wrote:
Dan: Art represents the best argument against the draft I have come across in over 26 years of service. The thought that there are draft age people out there as seriously wigged out as Art is a tad disturbing. IBM __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message ... I added Art to the wastebin a couple of months ago. He has a lot to offer the group as an ex-WWII aircrew, but his signal to noise ratio is way outta whack. Even his stuff about WWII B-26 ops is of little value as his memory is now so poor he can't separate fact from fantasy. |
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Subject: Why didn't Bush fight?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 8/30/2004 3:32 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "ian maclure" wrote in message news On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:21:01 -0500, Lone Haranguer wrote: He got his Rhodes scholarship through his politcal work for Fulbright, not through academic merit. LZ And only got to use it because he hid out in ROTC until the danger of being called up had passed. Clinton was never in ROTC. He made a commitment to ROTC but reneged on it. When it comes to reneging Bush is king of the hill. At least Clinton didn't join the reserve and then go AWOL. Besides Clinton was a great president. Bush was th worst in history. Wish Clinton were back in office right now. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Why didn't Bush fight? From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 8/30/2004 3:32 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "ian maclure" wrote in message news On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:21:01 -0500, Lone Haranguer wrote: He got his Rhodes scholarship through his politcal work for Fulbright, not through academic merit. LZ And only got to use it because he hid out in ROTC until the danger of being called up had passed. Clinton was never in ROTC. He made a commitment to ROTC but reneged on it. When it comes to reneging Bush is king of the hill. At least Clinton didn't join the reserve and then go AWOL. Besides Clinton was a great president. Bush was th worst in history. Wish Clinton were back in office right now. If that is the truth, then you can bear no animosity towards Bush for serving in the Guard, right? Of course that is not right--it would violate your sacred dual-standards ethos. Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Besides Clinton was a great president. Actually, Clinton is the worst president the US has ever had. Bush was th worst in history. While Bush is not a great president, he's far from the worst in history. Wish Clinton were back in office right now. Of course you do, because you know if he was still president Saddam would still be running Iraq and the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan. |
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Art bellowed:
When it comes to reneging Bush is king of the hill. At least Clinton didn't join the reserve and then go AWOL. Besides Clinton was a great president. Bush was th worst in history. Wish Clinton were back in office right now. Hell Art, Clinton signed up for advanced ROTC then reneged on the agreement. I will agreed that Clinton is not the worst President ever for the US, but he sure made a lot of others look real good. Rick Clark MFE |
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