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henri Arsenault wrote in message ...
This reminds me of the first time I went to Minsk for a Congress in 1986 under the communist regime. They gave us a map, but almost all of the important buildings were in the wrong place! But the streets were OK. I was told that it was to confuse any potential invaders. so if one wanted to go someplace, one had to ask a knowledgeable person to show one where it was on the map. No wonder the Soviet Union collapsed under its own weight (there are those who think it was because of the Pope, and some who even think it was because of Ronald Reagan; in fact it was because no one there knew whether he was coming or going). maybe Microsoft hired one of those Soviet mapmakers... Henri Remove bridges at http://www.planesimulation.com/ You can then restore FS2002 landmark bridges to FS2004 (USA only for now). In ceratin cases the FS2002 custom/landmark bridges actually match the road data (aligned)in FS2004 better!(someone mentioned VTP points or coastline overlays) The probelm may be that autogen can't properly make the elevation adjustments from one vtp point to another and has no "sense" of what road it belongs to. So, weird cyborg autogen bridges occupy the environment sometimes. Owain Robinson http://www.planesimulation.com/ |
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In , Kevin Reilly wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 henri Arsenault wrote: What interests me further is that we have dozens of bridges reported missing in action, yet the first page of the gallery link above shows, among other things, an EXTRA bridge where there shouldn't be one. And it's a fairly complex model as well, almost as though it's been specifically designed to go somewhere and ended up somewhere else. Does anyone recognise it, and perhaps know where it should be in the real world? I'm a month and a half late in coming into this discussion but I've seen stuff in another NG about it, which you might be interested in. But first.... You can perhaps see where I'm headed with this. We have at least one bridge that's in the right place but the wrong geometry. We have several reported cases of bridges that aren't where they should be, and at least one that is where it shouldn't be. All of which suggests to me that many of the bridge problems could well be down to simple *typos* in the scenery database. That figures. Some unfortunate grunt or, worse still, a sub-contractor shudder probably got the unenviable task of putting all that data together. Tragically, the E and W keys are right next to each other and such a simple slip would put a USA-based bridge anywhere between Japan, China or Russia! Even issues with bridges in the right place but of the wrong type could be explained by this, if generic bridge types are defined by a flag pointing to a generic model and the flag is wrong. Could this be the case, or am I putting 2 and 2 together and getting 6? As I said, I know nothing of FS scenery design or implementation. If I'm way off target, please let me know. I don't think so. Last I heard, someone said that, after finding loads of bridges missing, they'd found a bunch of them stacked one on top of another, somewhere in Canada! I sincerely hope this was wit, rather than a genuine observation because that would, indeed, be comical. Then again, "Software giant releases half-assed product" wouldn't exactly make the headlines, these days. But, if it did, you could expect some cheeky suggestions that their marketing catchprase will have to change to "this is as real as it gets - for 50 bucks". I was going to say "what are you doing gawping at bridges when you should be concentrating on flying the plane" and leave it at that but count this as an instant retraction. Since the tall bridges represent a genuine aviation hazard, to be avoided, you do need to be looking at the. All sizes of bridge could be vital landmarks for approaches into to small airfields with no ILS or navaids, so they all really need to be got right. Not to mention that you can do things in a sim which you wouldn't do in real life, for fear of death, disfigurement, or licence revocation g. How many of you out there can honestly say that you've NEVER attempted to fly _under_ the bridges. And not just the Golden gate, I mean like the ones over the Thames in central London? :-{} You'd think that MS has been in this game for long enough to know that we do things like that, so this problem was bound to come to light this quickly (give or take the number of postings I've seen from people who can't even get the damn thing to run at all). Many thanks to one and all for saving me the cost of entry into this world of auto-bodge scenery. -- regards, Mark |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 Mark Cherry wrote:
I don't think so. Last I heard, someone said that, after finding loads of bridges missing, they'd found a bunch of them stacked one on top of another, somewhere in Canada! It's true. There's a picture of them at http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...-2004/St_Donat It looks as though the Martians have landed and are building a new mothership. Better blow it up before that last piece goes in. There also seems to be a bridge party going on in Tampa: http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...ges-2004/tampa I'm not sure what's going on in either of those pictures but it sure looks to me like a bunch of look-up tables have got screwed up. I know Microsoft are historically loathed to release patches for the FS products, preferring to concentrate on the next version and let third- party folk temporarily plug the gaps. But they really ought to do something about this bridge problem. It really is out of hand. "FS2004 - as real as it gets (unless you have a favourite bridge, in which case cross your fingers)." Actually I'd like to see some of the bridges pictured on that site implemented in MS Train Simulator. Especially the ones that stop halfway across rivers and then plunge beneath the surface. Most entertaining. -- Kev __________________________________________________ ________________________ "That's what happens when, in cricketing parlance, the wheel comes off and you can't steer the boat." Bob Willis |
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Kevin Reilly wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 Mark Cherry wrote: I don't think so. Last I heard, someone said that, after finding loads of bridges missing, they'd found a bunch of them stacked one on top of another, somewhere in Canada! It's true. There's a picture of them at http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...-2004/St_Donat It looks as though the Martians have landed and are building a new mothership. Better blow it up before that last piece goes in. There also seems to be a bridge party going on in Tampa: http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...ges-2004/tampa Ta. I've got to go and check those out. Good for a giggle! I'm not sure what's going on in either of those pictures but it sure looks to me like a bunch of look-up tables have got screwed up. Easily done. I know Microsoft are historically loathed to release patches for the FS products, preferring to concentrate on the next version and let third- party folk temporarily plug the gaps. But they really ought to do something about this bridge problem. It really is out of hand. Like I said - comical. Do you get the sneaking feeling that they farmed out the database work to some far-east sweat shop? -- regards, Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ address-bots please add these to your database:- |
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In article ,
Kevin Reilly wrote: I don't think so. Last I heard, someone said that, after finding loads of bridges missing, they'd found a bunch of them stacked one on top of another, somewhere in Canada! It's true. There's a picture of them at http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...-2004/St_Donat If you look closely, all of those bridges are replicas of the old quebec city bridge (it is missing in Quebec). I wonder why there is more than one? henri |
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henri Arsenault wrote: In article , Kevin Reilly wrote: I don't think so. Last I heard, someone said that, after finding loads of bridges missing, they'd found a bunch of them stacked one on top of another, somewhere in Canada! It's true. There's a picture of them at http://idle.thehueys.com/bridges/Mis...-2004/St_Donat If you look closely, all of those bridges are replicas of the old quebec city bridge (it is missing in Quebec). I wonder why there is more than one? henri Apparently, bridges are now part of the Autogen scenery. Maybe they decided that the Quebec bridge made a good 'generic' bridge and it was meant to be used in a selection of locations but something went wrong in the database and they've all ended up in the one place! -- regards, Mark mailto -- .- .-. -.- -.-. .... . .-. .-. -.-- {.- -}-.-. --- -- .--. ...- ... . .-. ...- . {-.. --- -} -.-. --- -- |
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"Mark Cherry" wrote: Apparently, bridges are now part of the Autogen scenery. Maybe they decided that the Quebec bridge made a good 'generic' bridge and it was meant to be used in a selection of locations but something went wrong in the database and they've all ended up in the one place! Cantilever bridges of that size are not very common. Until recently, the Quebec Bridge was considered one of the wonders of the World (it fell twice while it was being built). Actually I can't recall seeing any other large bridges of the kind. Henri |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 at 15:20:29 in message
, henri Arsenault wrote: Cantilever bridges of that size are not very common. Until recently, the Quebec Bridge was considered one of the wonders of the World (it fell twice while it was being built). Actually I can't recall seeing any other large bridges of the kind. The Forth Railway Bridge in Scotland is a good example. That has been there for years. Other kinds of bridge are now much more economical for large spans. Is that bridge there in FS2004? It crosses the Firth of Forth about 5 miles west of Edinburgh. There is also a newer suspension road bridge next to it and they should both be there. Try: http://www.doughoughton.com/webpage/image/66/a66530.jpg or perhaps the best http://netrover.com/~capaigle/Ponts/fortha.html -- Francis |
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David CL Francis wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 at 15:20:29 in message , henri Arsenault wrote: Cantilever bridges of that size are not very common. Until recently, the Quebec Bridge was considered one of the wonders of the World (it fell twice while it was being built). Actually I can't recall seeing any other large bridges of the kind. The Forth Railway Bridge in Scotland is a good example. That has been there for years. Other kinds of bridge are now much more economical for large spans. Is that bridge there in FS2004? It crosses the Firth of Forth about 5 miles west of Edinburgh. There is also a newer suspension road bridge next to it and they should both be there. Try: http://www.doughoughton.com/webpage/image/66/a66530.jpg or perhaps the best http://netrover.com/~capaigle/Ponts/fortha.html Just as well I read your reply before posting. I was going to mention the Forth Bridge myself. Worth pointing out that it's a *railway* bridge only hence the need for the second bridge. You can get an idea of the scale of the thing from watching Robert Powell dangling off it in the '70s remake of 'The 39 Steps'. -- regards, Mark |
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