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Stop the noise
Feb. 24 - The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association on Tuesday
provided initial support to four Massachusetts pilots - all AOPA members - facing a lawsuit filed by a few residents. The suit alleges that the noise signature from the aerobatics performed by the pilots caused significant harm; they are seeking approximately $1 million in damages. The pilots are based at various airports, some 20 miles from the homes of the litigants. "This is potentially an issue that could affect all pilots engaged in any type of air commerce - from a Cub to a 747," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "We are fully prepared to take this through the federal system if necessary. http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...04-1-108x.html Frank |
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The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just
don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. We could return to an existence where airplanes, motorcycles, leaf blowers, boom boxes, jet skis and all other noisy artifacts of civilization were banned, but that would be tantamount to a ban on civilization itself. The world in those times was very inefficient. A return to the food production and manufacturing processes of those days would flood the earth with pollution and produce only a tiny fraction of vital goods and services. Billions would die. There may have been a time when anti-social types could live as hermits in remote mountain areas and never have to come into contact with another human for the rest of their lives. That time is over. You can regulate it all you want, but the anti-noise crowd will never find the silence it craves. They assume that flying aerobatics is needless recreation -- as if recreation is somehow something that we can live without. That assumption is entirely unfounded. They have built their argument on a rotten foundation. You simply cannot ask everyone who bothers you to stop bothering you or leave the planet. People need to learn to be more tolerant of being constantly touched by others, hearing their noise, putting up with their smell, and seeing them everywhere. Those who cannot be tolerant will suffer endlessly, no matter how many lawsuits they file. |
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Nice rant, CJ. I agree with everything but the smell part.
(Seems I've butted heads with the Noise Police with almost every major interest I've had in life: R/C planes, motocross, now GA. I like things with noisy engines, darn it! I'm a guy!) C J Campbell wrote: The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. We could return to an existence where airplanes, motorcycles, leaf blowers, boom boxes, jet skis and all other noisy artifacts of civilization were banned, but that would be tantamount to a ban on civilization itself. The world in those times was very inefficient. A return to the food production and manufacturing processes of those days would flood the earth with pollution and produce only a tiny fraction of vital goods and services. Billions would die. There may have been a time when anti-social types could live as hermits in remote mountain areas and never have to come into contact with another human for the rest of their lives. That time is over. You can regulate it all you want, but the anti-noise crowd will never find the silence it craves. They assume that flying aerobatics is needless recreation -- as if recreation is somehow something that we can live without. That assumption is entirely unfounded. They have built their argument on a rotten foundation. You simply cannot ask everyone who bothers you to stop bothering you or leave the planet. People need to learn to be more tolerant of being constantly touched by others, hearing their noise, putting up with their smell, and seeing them everywhere. Those who cannot be tolerant will suffer endlessly, no matter how many lawsuits they file. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message You can regulate it all you want, but the anti-noise crowd will never find the silence it craves. The problem is, there are many more of them than there are of us. By "them", I mean people who would just as soon not have airplanes doing aerobatics directly over their houses. By that definition, "them" is a large proportion of the general population. Hell, I fly acro, and I wouldn't want an acro box directly over my house! How about you? The bozos at STN are way over the line, and they are using threats of legal action to bully others. But we shouldn't dismiss all noise complaints as whining by people who will never be happy. If you address complaints in a good faith manner, maybe you avoid letting things get to the point where flight schools are getting sued. The bottom line is, most acro boxes are going to need to over remote, unpopulated or lightly populated areas. If you happen to live and fly in an urban area, expect a long transit to your practice area. That's the price you pay for the choices you make. I'm boxed in by Class B at SPG (Albert Whitted at St Pete), and I have to go out over the ocean to practice. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. From what I have been able to determine from interacting with members of the local anti-airport crowd is the opposite. They, generally speaking, do not have any problem with how an individual spends their discretionary income. The problem arises when the "toy", along with its associated use, has a constant, repetitive, day-in and day-out negative effect on the lives of thousands of others who would normally be indifferant towards the activity. I have seen again and again where our attitude in the aviation community is that everyone else in the world is wrong and we are right. Our attitude is that they need to adapt to us and our activities. This attitude is perceived by the general public as selfish and arrogant. As long as we continue with this attitude we will continue to lose airports, and general public support. We might win an occasional battle but will eventually lose the war. Earl G |
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"Earl Grieda" wrote in message link.net... Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. From what I have been able to determine from interacting with members of the local anti-airport crowd is the opposite. They, generally speaking, do not have any problem with how an individual spends their discretionary income. The problem arises when the "toy", along with its associated use, has a constant, repetitive, day-in and day-out negative effect on the lives of thousands of others who would normally be indifferant towards the activity. Doesn't explain the cases (just about every one) where they built homes near airports that already existed. I have seen again and again where our attitude in the aviation community is that everyone else in the world is wrong and we are right. In lieu of the above, it would be the case that our group is right. Right/wrong is NOT determined but the volume and shrillness of the tantrum thrown. Our attitude is that they need to adapt to us and our activities. As above. This attitude is perceived by the general public as selfish and arrogant. As above. As long as we continue with this attitude we will continue to lose airports, and general public support. We might win an occasional battle but will eventually lose the war. And we as a nation continue to slide (call it whimsically "politically correct") as we kowtow to one tantrum after another. A nation of brats will not survive. |
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Actually the guy who started STN is a wealthy lawyer.
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. |
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"Ed" wrote in message
. com... The problem is, there are many more of them than there are of us. By "them", I mean people who would just as soon not have airplanes doing aerobatics directly over their houses. By that definition, "them" is a large proportion of the general population. Hell, I fly acro, and I wouldn't want an acro box directly over my house! How about you? One would assume that the aviation authorities would also prefer people not to be doing aerobatics over someone's house, given the potential consequences in the event of an engine or other failure. D. |
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