Logging instrument approaches

It's been awhile since I flew VFR, and having taken a cursory look
through Part 61 I didn't see anything to the contrary, so I'm going to
throw this out and see what you guys think. It's my understanding that
I can take a VFR-only airplane on a local VFR trip with a PP-rated
safety pilot on board, wear foggles, shoot simulated instrument
approaches and log those approaches as instrument approaches AND log the
entire time as PIC. Correct or incorrect?

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP

According to the instructors and DE's that I know, that is a correct
statement. Of course the plane would have to be equipped for the approaches
that you're doing. Hard to log an ILS approach if the plane doesn't have a
GS.

JimC

"Slav Inger" wrote in message
...
It's been awhile since I flew VFR, and having taken a cursory look
through Part 61 I didn't see anything to the contrary, so I'm going to
throw this out and see what you guys think. It's my understanding that
I can take a VFR-only airplane on a local VFR trip with a PP-rated
safety pilot on board, wear foggles, shoot simulated instrument
approaches and log those approaches as instrument approaches AND log the
entire time as PIC. Correct or incorrect?

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP

Hard to log an ILS approach if the plane doesn't have a GS.

Nonsense. I just have the safety pilot point one of his fingers
horizontally on one hand and vertically on the other. Then, while crossing
the fingers and putting them in view of the PIC (with a V.L.D. on, of
course), the safety pilot can look outside and estimate the glideslope.
It's also critical that the S.P. have a good voice range, as emulation of
the marker beacons can be difficult otherwise. It should be noted that beef
jerky sticks can substitute fingers, but equipment function is more likely
if pilot hunger is moderate.

If you want to simulate intercepting a GS too high and receiving an
incorrect angle, have the S.P. consume any alcoholic beverage(s) and/or nail
polish remover. If unwilling, tell him/her that he needs to identify the
100LL with a good sniff, as "fuel gnomes" have been known to steal gas and
replace it with blue water. This should result in faulty "instrumentation."

Sorry, it's late...had to do it...

Justin

Nonsense. I just have the safety pilot point one of his fingers
horizontally on one hand and vertically on the other. Then, while crossing
the fingers and putting them in view of the PIC (with a V.L.D. on, of
course), the safety pilot can look outside and estimate the glideslope.
It's also critical that the S.P. have a good voice range, as emulation of
the marker beacons can be difficult otherwise. It should be noted that beef
jerky sticks can substitute fingers, but equipment function is more likely
if pilot hunger is moderate.

If you want to simulate intercepting a GS too high and receiving an
incorrect angle, have the S.P. consume any alcoholic beverage(s) and/or nail
polish remover. If unwilling, tell him/her that he needs to identify the
100LL with a good sniff, as "fuel gnomes" have been known to steal gas and
replace it with blue water. This should result in faulty "instrumentation."


I thought that wasn't legal unless you had an FAA approved tuna sandwich.

Jose

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"Justin Maas" wrote in message ...
Hard to log an ILS approach if the plane doesn't have a GS.

Nonsense. I just have the safety pilot point one of his fingers
horizontally on one hand and vertically on the other. Then, while crossing
the fingers and putting them in view of the PIC

You're making it too hard... all he needs to do is simulate the glideslope. Presumably
your NAV radio can track the localizer...

Justin, I must admit to the error of my earlier post. Your approach to
approaches is far more creative and can even do in a pinch. Should low IMC
settle in that alcoholic beverage could serve to calm the nerves of the
pilot as well. What was I thinking?

JimC

"Justin Maas" wrote in message
...
Hard to log an ILS approach if the plane doesn't have a GS.

Nonsense. I just have the safety pilot point one of his fingers
horizontally on one hand and vertically on the other. Then, while
crossing
the fingers and putting them in view of the PIC (with a V.L.D. on, of
course), the safety pilot can look outside and estimate the glideslope.
It's also critical that the S.P. have a good voice range, as emulation of
the marker beacons can be difficult otherwise. It should be noted that
beef
jerky sticks can substitute fingers, but equipment function is more likely
if pilot hunger is moderate.

If you want to simulate intercepting a GS too high and receiving an
incorrect angle, have the S.P. consume any alcoholic beverage(s) and/or
nail
polish remover. If unwilling, tell him/her that he needs to identify the
100LL with a good sniff, as "fuel gnomes" have been known to steal gas and
replace it with blue water. This should result in faulty
"instrumentation."

Sorry, it's late...had to do it...

Justin

"JimC" wrote in message
.. .
Justin, I must admit to the error of my earlier post. Your approach to
approaches is far more creative and can even do in a pinch. Should low
IMC
settle in that alcoholic beverage could serve to calm the nerves of the
pilot as well. What was I thinking?

JimC

You also have to admit that the jerky is low weight, supports extended
flight times, and absorbs some of the alcohol.

Clearly ATC should have this information, so I propose the slant Juliet
equipment suffix. The meaning is equivalent to /G, adding practicing
approaches with mode jerky available.

In article DE2Ra.15739$o54.2916@lakeread05,
Robert Henry wrote:

You also have to admit that the jerky is low weight, supports extended
flight times, and absorbs some of the alcohol.

And according to the nutrition label, it is certified in the
utility category. Just remember to wear a parachute if you tilt
it more than 60 degrees.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

"JimC" wrote in message .. .
Justin, I must admit to the error of my earlier post. Your approach to
approaches is far more creative and can even do in a pinch. Should low IMC
settle in that alcoholic beverage could serve to calm the nerves of the
pilot as well. What was I thinking?

Remember, it's eight feet from bottle to throttle.

JimC wrote:

According to the instructors and DE's that I know, that is a correct
statement. Of course the plane would have to be equipped for the approaches
that you're doing. Hard to log an ILS approach if the plane doesn't have a
GS.


That goes without saying, I was just making sure I was alright on
legalities.

And Justin, keep taking those pills man.

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP