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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Talk about nobody being on the same page!!!! :-))))))))

Well, I think we're close enough on this one.

Regards,
Gary

All the best to you and yours in the coming year.
Dudley

Thanks Dudley, you too!

--Gary

in article , Jeb at
wrote on 1/10/04 10:35 AM:


So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield Recorder
reports.

Well, I think it's a safe bet that I'd be picketing that store about 5
minutes after the cops visited. And if I thought I could get away with it,
I'd beat the **** out of that snoopy clerk. I hate people like that.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

Yeah, God knows, there are few things more suspicious than a driver with a
map.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now we
only note how high.

Just remember to hide your "Information Please" almanac.

9-11 has changed the way we will live in the United States for the
foreseeable future. I think It remains to be seen how it all will sort out
as the security issues are dealt with. It's a veritable certainty that there
will be more incidents like the stupid one at Staples, and more incidents in
general that will cause great concern about the rights issue.
The security issue is a huge paradox that many are afraid to face openly and
many are facing incorrectly in my opinion anyway.
The plain simple truth of it is that we have people out there who want to
kill us, and we're a free society. Our borders are wide open and we're faced
with some very real issues here; the least of which is that it's a simple
truth that in a totally free society, total security is
impossible....period! Somewhere along the line we're going to have to make
some hard choices. If we want security, we're going to have to sacrifice
some rights, it's THAT simple. We either do it, or they're going to
eventually nail us again, and even if we DO do it, there's a good chance
they'll get us again anyway. Also, if we do it, our own government can nail
us. As they say, "it ain't a pretty picture".
Right now we're all involved in this huge American "discussion" about our
rights and security. Some think we can have security without giving up some
rights. I don't think that's possible. I could be wrong. I hope so, because
if I'm right, we can look forward to more loss of rights in the name of
security. Just take a look at what's happening in general aviation. Hell, if
it keeps up at the present rate, there won't be any more general aviation.
Every time some idiot in a 150 flies into restricted airspace, we get closer
to having more government intervention. Then we have the profiling
issues........the political issues.........the.............
What a wonderful state of affairs . We want our security. We want our
rights. Can we have both? I wonder!!!! How many rights are we willing to
give up for security? It's indeed a perplexing problem. Which is it to be;
do we trust the government or not?
The answer for Americans my friend, "is blowin in the wind".....and the
terrorists know this as sure as God made little green apples.
Whatever we do, we better get our collective butts in gear and get this
settled fast....and I mean FAST!!!

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Now that's truly terrifying...

mike regish

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen again,
so
you better get used to it.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:53:00 GMT "Dudley Henriques" wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:32:04 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:17 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
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"Jeb" wrote in message
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Flight Sim enquiry raises terror alert
By Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas
Posted: 08/01/2004 at 22:39 GMT
A mother's enquiry about buying Microsoft Flight Simulator for her
ten-year-old son prompted a night-time visit to her home from a
state
trooper.

Julie Olearcek, a USAF Reserve pilot made the enquiry at a Staples
store in Massachusetts, home to an earlier bout of hysteria,
during
the Salem witch trials.

So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year
old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield
Recorder
reports. The authorities moved into action, leaving nothing to
chance.
A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at
8:30
pm on a rainy night.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at
home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying
advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware
of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and
most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now
we
only note how high.

It could also be noted that incidents like this are isolated rather
than
the
general norm. This specific incident was overplayed because the
person

It could be noted but it isn't true. There are plenty of knee-jerks
like
this
going on everyday. Do you think every one makes the news?


involved on the receiving end was a pilot. People are not jumping at
their

This makes no sense. In what way was it overplayed? The person
involved
was 10 years old. It was overplayed because our rights to freedom are
being trampled.


own shadows in America. If anything, there's a huge problem with
people


People are shooting at their own shadows. 10,000 gun related per
year.
(or more??)

generally beginning to take on a "relaxed" attitude about the
country
being
hit again.
These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen
again,
so
you better get used to it. When you have retail store managers with
good


It's surprising to think that anyone could buy into the drivel you
seem
to have bought into. Wait until you're hauled off and detained with
no
reason given.


intentions but absolutely no training in security matters at all
calling
meetings and "briefing" young impressionable sales clerks on the
importance
of reporting "anything suspicious" because they have received a
flyer
from
"headquarters" or seen something on the nightly news, this kind of
thing
is
going to happen.
The bottom line is that we're caught between what we should be doing
to
be
secure, and what we're actually doing to be secure. It's a mess out
there.
There's some security, but not nearly enough has been done. We're
caught
between our freedom and how much of that freedom we're willing to
give
up
for security. It's a HUGE problem that's filled with pot holes. We
have


There are not enough freedoms to give up to get the safety you seem to
think
we can get.


every faction with an agenda to grind flailing away at every attempt
to
make
the nation more secure. In fact, I think it's safe to say, from what
I've
seen so far at least, that we're as afraid and suspicious of our own
government as we are of the terrorist situation, perhaps with
reason,
perhaps not...who the hell knows?


Well our own government has lied to us so many times recently you
don't
know what to believe do you? They've done all kinds of horrible
things to
our
own people. LSD testing on unknowing, unwitting military test
subjects.
Chemical spraying on "special" ops teams in Hawaii. Lying about WMDs.
Just
today there's a report that Bush was planning the Iraq invasion
pre-9/11.


So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
$500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at
AMT if
you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.


The bottom line is that along with these security warnings going up
and
down, and the agendas floating around trying to tear the country
apart
with
conspiracy theories, you're going to have little old ladies hassled
at
the


What conspiracy theories?


airport for their nail clippers; old men of 96 taken aside and made
to
strip
down to their shorts; clerks at Staples showing the boss that they
are
"contributing" to the overall "concerns" of their employers; and
young

blah blah blah


middle eastern looking men passed by security because no one wants
to
look
like their profiling.


What? Do you have some instances of this happening? I don't believe
you.


Hell, all you have to do is take a good look at the posts that might
follow
mine here to see how absolutely divided we all are on this issue
:-)))

Divided is not the issue it's about getting facts as opposed to
concocting
incorrect conclusions.

R. Hubbell

LOL!
Hell Hubbell, this post is so filled with personal agenda and conspiricy
theory that it's literally impossible to deal with it even if I wanted
to,
which I don't :-)

It is? Prove that point.


You win, The world sucks; the government exists only to hurt us, and
they're
coming to get all of us in the middle of the night, and the President is
a
............... what's the use....? :-))


Your reality has been skewed somehow. Care to say how? Or are you unsure?


Take care,
DH



Okay so you don't really have any counterpoint so you would rather steer
the
discussion to a close. That's fine with me too. Maybe you just weren't
expecting a reply that questioned your position.

I hope you have a lot of money because Bush and Co. are good to those that
do. And the ones that don't have a lot are good for those that do have a
lot of money. Rich people love middle-class republican voters. You help
them hold on to their money.


R. Hubbell

As I said, you are right about everything; I have no issue; the world is the
way you see it; Bush is bad; yes I'm rich: and I just remembered why I don't
like to post here and usually don't.

Well if you want to post gibberish and not get any response just create a
special subject, like Subject: GIBBERISH -- the real subject

Maybe you don't like to post here because you can't engage in a point-counterpoint
style of discussion? Or because you're afraid of encountering a viewpoint
different from yours or both? Fair enough.


Hey, you can always use your killfile mechanism to sanitize your world like so
many others here do.


R. Hubbell

See ya!
DH

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:53:00 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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Well if you want to post gibberish and not get any response just create a
special subject, like Subject: GIBBERISH -- the real subject

Maybe you don't like to post here because you can't engage in a
point-counterpoint
style of discussion? Or because you're afraid of encountering a
viewpoint
different from yours or both? Fair enough.

Listen up...Hubbell is it? If you take your foot out of your mouth long
enough to view the other posts in this thread, you'll see that I'm engaged
with several posters on these issues; some pro; some con; but NONE that
start off with me the way you did. I just don't like discussing issues with
someone who starts out by telling me,
"then you must be very naive or conveniently ignorant".
I don't discuss issues with people who post like this. Sorry! No sale!
You want to change your style a bit and come back at me with some reasonable
discourse and we'll talk. If not, nothing lost to either of us I'm sure. :-)
All the best to you,
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:23:55 GMT "Dudley Henriques" wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:53:00 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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Well if you want to post gibberish and not get any response just create a
special subject, like Subject: GIBBERISH -- the real subject

Maybe you don't like to post here because you can't engage in a
point-counterpoint
style of discussion? Or because you're afraid of encountering a
viewpoint
different from yours or both? Fair enough.

Listen up...Hubbell is it? If you take your foot out of your mouth long

Insults are the recourse of those lacking a true argument.

enough to view the other posts in this thread, you'll see that I'm engaged
with several posters on these issues; some pro; some con; but NONE that
start off with me the way you did. I just don't like discussing issues with
someone who starts out by telling me,
"then you must be very naive or conveniently ignorant".
I don't discuss issues with people who post like this. Sorry! No sale!

You certainly don't want to discuss the issues, that's seems true.


You want to change your style a bit and come back at me with some reasonable

My style? You mean my views? Not bloody likely!

discourse and we'll talk. If not, nothing lost to either of us I'm sure. :-)


You started this off with some absurd assertions and I countered and you
were somehow insulted because they oppose your provincial points of view.
It's okay with me too.
I guess I must have exposed your logical vulnerabilities.

You have my apologies. I thought since you were orating that you'd be
able to suffer some slings, or in this case opposing views. I guess
not. No harm, no foul.


R. Hubbell


All the best to you,
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
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| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.
|
|

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less
than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up with
this idiotic theory.

Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on
tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Please include the post you're responding to, and especially the part
you refer to otherwise I have no idea what you're talking to.


R. Hubbell

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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| Please include the post you're responding to, and especially the part
| you refer to otherwise I have no idea what you're talking to.
|

I included the relevant quote. Of course, if you have no idea what you were
talking about, I will accept that.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:29:37 -0800 "C J Campbell" wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
|
| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.
|
|


I'll try to respond to this but you didn't offer up much in the way of a
counterpoint.

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less

What part is fantasy to you?

Define a Bush supporter? Is that one who votes for him or who donates lots
of money to his campaign? If you're a Bush voter you're getting the shaft.


than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up with
this idiotic theory.

You're awfully quick to throw insults, must have touched a nerve.
But I note that you don't point out what was it that was idiotic.
Why not offer exact responses instead of mud slinging?

(BTW you do realize we're talking ultra-rich)

The vast majority of Bush supporters (the ones donating to his campaign)
are making $500,000/year (dispensible income not disposable as the rich
pay very little taxes) and if you're making under $500,000/yr you're very
likely paying the way for those Bush donors. Because you are likely getting
a paycheck and your deductions are all taken out. Nothing to fudge since it's
all known to the gov. But if you're making big bucks you can play all kinds
of fun games. Putting money offshore, etc. and report very little income.
It's all legal of course. And what the middle class pays for soc. sec. is
out of whack too compared to the rich. Bush and Co. are only making things
better for those rich folks. Capital gains, I think the estate taxes and
plenty of other treats. So no Bush and Co. are not making things better.
The tax code is a joke, there are schemes that even the IRS doesn't know
about. Oh what a surprise. The IRS doesn't have the manpower to deal with
it all. (congress decides what money the IRS gets BTW)

Look at AMT too, Holy cow it's bad. It's going to keep rearing it's
ugly head for the middle-class.


BTW the rich don't care about Bush or Democrats or Republicans. They
care about money, their money and how they're going to keep it while
getting more.



Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on


Not only against the rich, also against the govt. that lets them keep
getting richer, while the rest of americans are barely treading water.
It's about inequalities of who is paying the taxes.



tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Yes, planning on spending the kids inheritance, but with a twist.
The kids will get to help us spend it.

Not entirely Bush's fault but he's not going to change anything.

The US tax code needs to be gutted. There should be a flat tax.
Yes that would put lots of accountants and lawyers out of work
but oh well. They could become TSA workers. We'll need to
watch all those subversive people asking pointed questions
about flight sim. software and other anti-american activities
too so they could find jobs with Tom Ridge.



R. Hubbell