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General Aviation Dead?
On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote:
And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. -- Peter |
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Peter Skelton wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. |
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General Aviation Dead?
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:56:38 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
General Aviation is in decline mostly because of cost. A large part of the former middle class is gone in the United States. Anyone wishing to fly must either have a great deal of money (e.g., the top 1%) or must be willing to make gigantic sacrifices to raise the money for flying. Most people don't want to fly enough to make gigantic sacrifices, and most people don't make much money, so GA is in decline. If a prosperous middle class were to reappear, this trend would probably reverse. Another problem is the massive regulation of aviation, which raises the price and creates many other barriers, surmountable and sometimes insurmountable, to flying. But this is mostly a constant rather than a variable, so it does not push GA into decline so much as it holds it at an artificially low level. Some aspects of GA are doing much better than others. The top 1% is still very interested in flying around on private jets, for example. Mxsmanic=Tom=Mu=Chung=Courtney Brown I win. Again. A* |
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General Aviation Dead?
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:05:29 -0700, Steve Hix wrote:
In article , Peter Skelton wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. I know all this. Mr. V is my sockpuppet so STFU. I win. Again. A* |
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On 16/10/2011 2:05 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
In , Peter wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. -- Peter |
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General Aviation Dead?
On 10/16/2011 4:55 PM, Peter Skelton wrote:
On 16/10/2011 2:05 PM, Steve Hix wrote: In , Peter wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. Cub clones are also popular with home builders. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On 10/16/2011 4:55 PM, Peter Skelton wrote:
The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. An homage, then, at the least. |
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General Aviation Dead?
On 16/10/2011 9:23 PM, Dan wrote:
On 10/16/2011 4:55 PM, Peter Skelton wrote: On 16/10/2011 2:05 PM, Steve Hix wrote: In , Peter wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. Cub clones are also popular with home builders. Are you aware of any that aren't super cub based? -- Peter |
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On 17/10/2011 1:41 AM, Steve Hix wrote:
On 10/16/2011 4:55 PM, Peter Skelton wrote: The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. An homage, then, at the least. Deserved too. -- Peter |
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On 10/17/2011 6:04 AM, Peter Skelton wrote:
On 16/10/2011 9:23 PM, Dan wrote: On 10/16/2011 4:55 PM, Peter Skelton wrote: On 16/10/2011 2:05 PM, Steve Hix wrote: In , Peter wrote: On 16/10/2011 11:14 AM, Mr. V wrote: And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level aircraft for GA. Goodbye, Piper Cub. Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you: Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in. the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a single detached house. The piper cub went out of production in 1947. And it's back in production thanks to a couple different companies, such as Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub types. The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine plane but with no commonality with the original cub. Cub clones are also popular with home builders. Are you aware of any that aren't super cub based? I stopped paying attention a long time ago, but I do remember a company that produced the super and the original. I don't recall if they provided full kits or just the fuselage frames. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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