General Aviation Dead?

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:30:47 -0500, Dan wrote:

I stopped

Get the **** out of alt.vacation.las-vegas asshole.

A*

I think its a combination of 2 things: The rising cost of fuel, and the recession.
I think its more expensive to fly your own personal plane than it is to fly commercial, solely based on fuel. I also think less and less people have the money required to for upkeep and annual maintenance. Its a sad time for private pilots
Bill
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Originally Posted by MU

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:55 -0400, Tom wrote:

Do you keep up with Huffman et al?

Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!

Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.

Less mangroves though.
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BillWhiteInsurance writes:

I think its a combination of 2 things: The rising cost of fuel, and the
recession.
I think its more expensive to fly your own personal plane than it is to
fly commercial, solely based on fuel. I also think less and less people
have the money required to for upkeep and annual maintenance. Its a sad
time for private pilots

For healthy private aviation, you need a substantial middle class, and the
middle class has mostly disappeared now. Apart from a minority of very wealthy
people, the vast majority of the population is now just squeaking by, with no
discretionary income.

BillWhiteInsurance
writes:

I think its more expensive to fly your own personal plane than it is to
fly commercial, solely based on fuel.

This has been true since the 1980s: Arab oil embargoes increased fuel
costs, and airline deregulation decreased airline travel costs.

I also think less and less people
have the money required to for upkeep and annual maintenance.

True; less and less people have the money to be middle-class, period. Or
maybe you haven't heard of Occupy Wall Street, etc?

The decline is a lot more than money. When I was growing up (1960s),
flight and space exploration were the exciting things in the news. Now,
it's some drug-addled Hollywood or rap celebrity. Kids now are brought
up shuttled from one team or supervised activity to another, never
developing their own independence, and piloting is a solitary activity.

The one area of GA that is thriving is Experimental aircraft. Several
active forums online, lots of new products at reasonable prices (because
little is TSO'd), fine-performing aircraft at affordable prices.

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On Monday, October 10, 2011 10:39:34 AM UTC-7, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or

the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,

and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did

it get to this? How could someone let their plane “die” this way?"



http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/

Unfortunately our capitalist system with out sufficient checks and balances,greedy pilots and general greed is slowly destroying our Republic.We earnestly pray that a dictator will not come to our aid as Hitler helped Germany.. General Aviation:[ HELP ONE ANOTHER ] Think of good neighbor ,not of the greedy dollar, Victor.

On Monday, October 10, 2011 10:39:34 AM UTC-7, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or

the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,

and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did

it get to this? How could someone let their plane “die” this way?"



http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/

On 10/28/2013 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2011 10:39:34 AM UTC-7, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane “die” this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/

any event (adverse, unfortunate, inconvenient or just for the
hell of it) + lawyers = lawsuits = increased insurance costs +
regulations, restrictions & paperwork
government = regulation & paperwork = expense for the owner,
operator and manufacturer
EPA = lawsuits, fines and cleanup = expense
"War on terror" = regulation, paperwork and restrictions
land prices for development increase = closed airports
private airports disappearing from charts = fewer places to go

pretty soon it's not quite worth it to go flying and the
value of the airplane has dropped so far that it's not
quite worth trying to sell it

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-- Marten Kemp (Fix ISP to reply)

On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:36:49 AM UTC-5, Tom wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:



On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:



On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:

"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or

the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,

and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did

it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"



http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a...



GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that

decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and

the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some

ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a

resurgence of GA? Give me a break.



GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.



Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol



A*



Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*



Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.



Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,

it's dying.



The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with

extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your

crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good

weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.

Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from down Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.

In article ,
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:36:49 AM UTC-5, Tom wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:



On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:



On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:

"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents,
or

the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,

and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how
did

it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"



http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/201...h-of-general-a.
..



GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that

decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and

the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some

ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a

resurgence of GA? Give me a break.



GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.



Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol



A*



Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*



Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.



Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,

it's dying.



The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with

extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your

crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good

weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.

Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from down
Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.


Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.

On Monday, October 28, 2013 7:38:55 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,

wrote:



On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:36:49 AM UTC-5, Tom wrote:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:







On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:







On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:



On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:



"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents,

or



the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,



and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how

did



it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"







http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/201...h-of-general-a.

..







GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that



decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and



the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some



ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a



resurgence of GA? Give me a break.







GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.







Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol







A*







Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*







Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.







Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,



it's dying.







The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with



extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your



crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good



weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.



Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from down

Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.





Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.

I prefer the kosher wines with dinner. Burning and ihhaling any kinds of leaves is just asking for the big "C".