Feeling the Need For Speed

Frank Stutzman wrote:
Edward A. Falk wrote:


Any other Bonanza owners here? Do you really get 11.5 gph at 159 kts?


No, I don't.


I get 135 knots at about 9 gph. However, if I remember correctly my
Bonanza has something like 60 less HP and is 30 years older than Scotts.



Hey Frank,

I still remember you showing me the AC system on your bo! I think it was
a rec.aviation/socafi event in Oceano perhaps 10 or 15 years go. Every
plane I've flown on a hot summer day since then without AC has made me
wonder why they didn't use that design more widely.

Glade to hear you still have her.

Steve

Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Newps wrote:
mbremer216 wrote:
Hello:
Where do you fly and on what type of surfaces do you land? What kind of
room are you looking for on the inside? Bonanza's, Mooney's and 210's
will by far get you your best gas mileage. I made my choice and went
with the Bonanza. At 75% I get 178 kts true at 15 gph at best altitude.
At 10,000 MSL at just a hair under 65%, 19"/2300 rpm I get 159 kts
true burning 11.5 gph. I used to have a 182 and at the top of the green
in cruise I would indicate 135-140 mph, sucking down 12.5-13 gph. In
the Bo at 150-155 MPH indicated, 45%, I burn 8.5 gph So as you can see
I get damn near twice the mpg as the 182 if I want as well as the
capability to go 47 kts faster while still getting better mpg than the 182.

What model Bo? I'm dreaming of something bigger & faster than my old
M20C.

Any other Bonanza owners here? Do you really get 11.5 gph at 159 kts?


I have the S35, first year of the big engine, the IO-520. For a number
of reasons I wouldn't buy one older than that. Do the math yourself, at
10K I indicate 155 MPH and I was at 19"/2300 rpm burning 11.5. I was
about 30 degrees lean of peak so I could have gone slightly faster,
maybe another 5 mph, if I wanted to go about 75 rich. I bought this
particular model because it is the first year of the six seaters. I
insure it for four. It's the year they removed the bulkhead and really
opened up the cabin, easily three times the baggage area of the 67 182 I
used to have. Plus the rear seats slide out individually, makes it
really easy to set up the interior any way you want.

I am also planning on upgrading to a Bo in a year or two from my
Grumman AA5, for speed and longer range.

However I at this point won't ever consider buying a plane that can't
burn mogas (regular or premium). Therefore my best options seem to
be IO-470K powered E33 Bonanza.


On Jun 12, 7:27 pm, Newps wrote:

I wouldn't even consider aircraft like Arrows, 172RG's, Commanders.
They're too slow for the additional cash it costs to insure. Jay's
right, this is about the best time ever to buy. The longer you wait the
better it'll get for you. I have a 64 S35 and I lowered my hull value
for my insurance that comes due in August. The hardest part for you
will be getting an owner to sell his plane for what it's actually worth,
not what he thinks it's worth.

Mike,
As an alterantive, have you considered any of the
experimentals? Depending on your needs, that may be worth looking in
to. I have 1520 hours in my Tango 2 and love it. In round numbers, I
get better than 200 mph at 8 gph, or 25 mpg. I can load two 200 pound
plus adults, forty gallons of gas, 100 pounds of baggage, takeoff
comfortably on a 2,000 foot grass strip, climb to 12,500, and land 750
nm later with a vfr reserve. Last summer I flew a 1,744 nm cross
country from north Florida to California against some headwind and
around some weather in 11.3 flying hours while burning 83.6 gallons of
gas. I made two fuel stops. I have flown a few times in solid ifr,
single seat without an autopilot, but a wing leveler would be nice
sometimes. Passing Bonanzas is fun, too.
I am biased because I am part owner of the company, but I doubt
if you can find many other cross country airplanes that can beat our
performance numbers in our price range.

Denny Funnemark
www.teamtango.com

I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike

There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
builder however, so I would never consider doing that.





wrote:
Mike,
As an alterantive, have you considered any of the
experimentals? Depending on your needs, that may be worth looking in
to. I have 1520 hours in my Tango 2 and love it. In round numbers, I
get better than 200 mph at 8 gph, or 25 mpg. I can load two 200 pound
plus adults, forty gallons of gas, 100 pounds of baggage, takeoff
comfortably on a 2,000 foot grass strip, climb to 12,500, and land 750
nm later with a vfr reserve. Last summer I flew a 1,744 nm cross
country from north Florida to California against some headwind and
around some weather in 11.3 flying hours while burning 83.6 gallons of
gas. I made two fuel stops. I have flown a few times in solid ifr,
single seat without an autopilot, but a wing leveler would be nice
sometimes. Passing Bonanzas is fun, too.
I am biased because I am part owner of the company, but I doubt
if you can find many other cross country airplanes that can beat our
performance numbers in our price range.

Denny Funnemark
www.teamtango.com
I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike

I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there is no
way my other half will go along.

I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it at 200
mph!

Mike
"Newps" wrote in message
. ..
There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
builder however, so I would never consider doing that.





wrote:
Mike,
As an alterantive, have you considered any of the
experimentals? Depending on your needs, that may be worth looking in
to. I have 1520 hours in my Tango 2 and love it. In round numbers, I
get better than 200 mph at 8 gph, or 25 mpg. I can load two 200 pound
plus adults, forty gallons of gas, 100 pounds of baggage, takeoff
comfortably on a 2,000 foot grass strip, climb to 12,500, and land 750
nm later with a vfr reserve. Last summer I flew a 1,744 nm cross
country from north Florida to California against some headwind and
around some weather in 11.3 flying hours while burning 83.6 gallons of
gas. I made two fuel stops. I have flown a few times in solid ifr,
single seat without an autopilot, but a wing leveler would be nice
sometimes. Passing Bonanzas is fun, too.
I am biased because I am part owner of the company, but I doubt
if you can find many other cross country airplanes that can beat our
performance numbers in our price range.

Denny Funnemark
www.teamtango.com
I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike

"mbremer216" wrote in message . ..
I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there is no
way my other half will go along.

I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it at 200
mph!

Mike
"Newps" wrote in message
. ..
There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
builder however, so I would never consider doing that.





So buy one from someone...

Blueskies wrote:

"mbremer216" wrote in message
. ..
I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there
is no way my other half will go along.

I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it
at 200 mph!

Mike
"Newps" wrote in message
. ..
There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I
a builder however, so I would never consider doing that.





So buy one from someone...

Most experimentals have that unfinished look to me. Especially the
interior. Like the designer got it done enough to fly and then said
screw it.

That is the advantage of the Velocity. I purchased a Velocity built
by someone else, had him fly it to the factory, had a factory
inspection, then had the factory give me transition training. Plane
goes back to Florida each year for the annual - let the experts look
it over. It is a lot of plane for the money. About $80k will get you
1000lb useful load, 4 seats and a nice IFR set up (think standard
steam gages + Garmin 430 + AP). Performing regular maintenance
yourself is a huge advantage. For a fixed gear plane, you can count
on around 150-160 knots. I regularly plan 2-3 hour flights with 2
adults, 2 kids, small dog + light weekend of luggage. Add in the fact
that the plane simply won't stall and you have a combination of low
cost (purchase and on-going), good speed, significant load carrying
and safety that is hard to beat. You do give up grass & dirt strip
capability and (in my opinion) need to plan on at least a 3500 ft
runway at gross on an 85 degree day (regular profile for me in the
summer). I'd strongly suggest you consider it - my dad had an M20J
that I flew regularly and I still prefer my Velocity.
Jeff

On Jun 15, 12:27 am, Newps wrote:
There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
builder however, so I would never consider doing that.

wrote:
Mike,
As an alterantive, have you considered any of the
experimentals? Depending on your needs, that may be worth looking in
to. I have 1520 hours in my Tango 2 and love it. In round numbers, I
get better than 200 mph at 8 gph, or 25 mpg. I can load two 200 pound
plus adults, forty gallons of gas, 100 pounds of baggage, takeoff
comfortably on a 2,000 foot grass strip, climb to 12,500, and land 750
nm later with a vfr reserve. Last summer I flew a 1,744 nm cross
country from north Florida to California against some headwind and
around some weather in 11.3 flying hours while burning 83.6 gallons of
gas. I made two fuel stops. I have flown a few times in solid ifr,
single seat without an autopilot, but a wing leveler would be nice
sometimes. Passing Bonanzas is fun, too.
I am biased because I am part owner of the company, but I doubt
if you can find many other cross country airplanes that can beat our
performance numbers in our price range.

Denny Funnemark
www.teamtango.com
I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike

How does it glide with the engine out?

Mike
"jsbougher" wrote in message
...
That is the advantage of the Velocity. I purchased a Velocity built
by someone else, had him fly it to the factory, had a factory
inspection, then had the factory give me transition training. Plane
goes back to Florida each year for the annual - let the experts look
it over. It is a lot of plane for the money. About $80k will get you
1000lb useful load, 4 seats and a nice IFR set up (think standard
steam gages + Garmin 430 + AP). Performing regular maintenance
yourself is a huge advantage. For a fixed gear plane, you can count
on around 150-160 knots. I regularly plan 2-3 hour flights with 2
adults, 2 kids, small dog + light weekend of luggage. Add in the fact
that the plane simply won't stall and you have a combination of low
cost (purchase and on-going), good speed, significant load carrying
and safety that is hard to beat. You do give up grass & dirt strip
capability and (in my opinion) need to plan on at least a 3500 ft
runway at gross on an 85 degree day (regular profile for me in the
summer). I'd strongly suggest you consider it - my dad had an M20J
that I flew regularly and I still prefer my Velocity.
Jeff

On Jun 15, 12:27 am, Newps wrote:
There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
builder however, so I would never consider doing that.

wrote:
Mike,
As an alterantive, have you considered any of the
experimentals? Depending on your needs, that may be worth looking in
to. I have 1520 hours in my Tango 2 and love it. In round numbers, I
get better than 200 mph at 8 gph, or 25 mpg. I can load two 200 pound
plus adults, forty gallons of gas, 100 pounds of baggage, takeoff
comfortably on a 2,000 foot grass strip, climb to 12,500, and land 750
nm later with a vfr reserve. Last summer I flew a 1,744 nm cross
country from north Florida to California against some headwind and
around some weather in 11.3 flying hours while burning 83.6 gallons of
gas. I made two fuel stops. I have flown a few times in solid ifr,
single seat without an autopilot, but a wing leveler would be nice
sometimes. Passing Bonanzas is fun, too.
I am biased because I am part owner of the company, but I doubt
if you can find many other cross country airplanes that can beat our
performance numbers in our price range.

Denny Funnemark
www.teamtango.com
I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike