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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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He doesn't, directly. He suggests that violence against judges is a
natural consequence of them making "political decisions", which is code
phrase for "decisions I don't like".

"Unaccountable to the public", but not unaccountable. The Constitution
says
judges shall hold their offices during good behavior. Acting contrary to
the Constitution is clearly bad behavior.

I haven't seen any judges acting contrary to the Constitution. On the
contrary, I see them restraining the Executive and Legislative branches
from overstepping their Constitutional authority time and time again.

Not only didn't they NOT act contrary to the Constitution, their decisions
were perfectly in conjunction with the laws of their jurisdictions.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsid...i_schiavo.html
(second half of the article...after the ***).

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Not only didn't they NOT act contrary to the Constitution, their decisions
were perfectly in conjunction with the laws of their jurisdictions.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsid...i_schiavo.html
(second half of the article...after the ***).


Are you concluding that judges have never acted contrary to the Constitution
because they did not do so in the Schiavo case?

Matt Barrow wrote:

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Two or Three Sundays ago Brian Lamb, the manager of C-Span, had a guy on
his
Sunday night interview program who brags that he is the chief lobbyist for
the Christian Right in DC. He added that the Christian Right was not
organized nor a political force until he started organizing them at the
end
of the 1980s, or thereabouts.

He then went on to say, "We, the Christian Right, are very pleased we
finally have our first president."

The Christian Right's first president was Ronald Reagan.

Well, the lobbyist I saw on C-SPAN disagrees with your view as do I.

Reagan didn't even go to church.

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Matt Barrow wrote:

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Two or Three Sundays ago Brian Lamb, the manager of C-Span, had a guy
on
his
Sunday night interview program who brags that he is the chief lobbyist
for
the Christian Right in DC. He added that the Christian Right was not
organized nor a political force until he started organizing them at
the
end
of the 1980s, or thereabouts.

He then went on to say, "We, the Christian Right, are very pleased we
finally have our first president."

The Christian Right's first president was Ronald Reagan.

Well, the lobbyist I saw on C-SPAN disagrees with your view as do I.

Reagan didn't even go to church.


The Religious Right had their first run up under the Reagan Administration.

"Religious America is awakening, perhaps just in time for our country's
sake." "In a struggle against totalitarian tyranny, traditional values
based on religious morality are among our greatest strengths." -- Ronald
Reagan (1)

"Religious views," says Congressman Jack Kemp, "lie at the heart of our
political system. The 'inalienable rights' to life, liberty, and the pursuit
of happiness are based on the belief that each individual is created by God
and has a special value in His eyes. . . . Without a common belief in the
one God who created us, there could be no freedom and no recourse if a
majority were to seek to abrogate the rights of the minority." (2)

Or, as the Education Secretary William Bennett sums up this viewpoint: "Our
values as a free people and the central values of the Judeo-Christian
tradition are flesh of the flesh and blood of the blood." (3)

1. Conservative Digest, Sept. 1980.
2. From a symposium on "Sex and God in American Politics," Policy Review,
Summer, 1984.
3. Quoted in The New York Times, Aug. 8, 1985.

Quoted from Leonard Peikoff's "Religion vs. America" at
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?pa...s_iv_ctrl=1225

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:54:19 -0700, wrote:



Matt Barrow wrote:

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Two or Three Sundays ago Brian Lamb, the manager of C-Span, had a guy on
his
Sunday night interview program who brags that he is the chief lobbyist for
the Christian Right in DC. He added that the Christian Right was not
organized nor a political force until he started organizing them at the
end
of the 1980s, or thereabouts.

He then went on to say, "We, the Christian Right, are very pleased we
finally have our first president."

The Christian Right's first president was Ronald Reagan.

Well, the lobbyist I saw on C-SPAN disagrees with your view as do I.

Reagan didn't even go to church.


No but he ehtertained folks like Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson.

The Christian Coalition was largely responsible for his elction and
especially his re-election.


The percentages by which Reagan won don't bear that out.


Right wing Christians don't much care who goes to church, in the final
analysis.

Probably true, but their lobbyist proclaim Bush Jr. as the first president for that
group. Seems like his point is well taken. Reagan never screwed things over in
the name of Jesus like Bush Jr. is doing.

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Probably true, but their lobbyist proclaim Bush Jr. as the first president
for that
group. Seems like his point is well taken. Reagan never screwed things
over in
the name of Jesus like Bush Jr. is doing.


What is Bush doing that screws things over in the name of Jesus?

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The Christian Coalition was largely responsible for his elction and
especially his re-election.

That makes you a very tiny minority, seeing as only Minnesota didn't
vote for him in 84.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:33:02 -0700, wrote:

Probably true, but their lobbyist proclaim Bush Jr. as the first president
for that
group. Seems like his point is well taken. Reagan never screwed things
over in the name of Jesus like Bush Jr. is doing.


This I would agree with about 1000%.

While I also agree, keep in mind that lobbyists make their money by
convincing their clients of the lobbyist's powers. So claiming "we're the
first to achieve this" is self-serving.

That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but it's something to consider.

- Andrew

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:33:02 -0700, wrote:

Probably true, but their lobbyist proclaim Bush Jr. as the first president
for that group.
Seems like his point is well taken. Reagan never screwed things
over in the name of Jesus like Bush Jr. is doing.

Possibly, but Reagan had loads of hard core bible-thumpers in his admin,
right up to the cabinet level, making policy. I shudder to think what that
bunch would have done unchecked. Robert Bork may have gotten a raw deal, but
he was an out and out fascist, even outside the views that got him his bad
ride in the Senate. Kemp and William Bennett were throwbacks to some
medieval age...

In this vein, don't confuse "faith" with a positive outlook on life,
especially with all the glorification of suffering we've heard these past
couple weeks.

Matt Barrow wrote:



Possibly, but Reagan had loads of hard core bible-thumpers in his admin,
right up to the cabinet level, making policy. I shudder to think what that
bunch would have done unchecked. Robert Bork may have gotten a raw deal, but
he was an out and out fascist, even outside the views that got him his bad
ride in the Senate. Kemp and William Bennett were throwbacks to some
medieval age...


Those two throwbacks are still around, too.

No doubt Reagan had some weirdos in his Administration. So did Clinton, but of
different weirdo stripes.