General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry

In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly
given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many
protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September
2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry
made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves
would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war
ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol."

When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says
the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his
Senate office.

Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that
Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public,
Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his
presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago.

Come to think of it, if he continues to posture as a war hero, he'll lose
the friendship of Ramsey Clark, Angela Davis, and the Daily World.

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 1/30/04 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03

In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly
given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many
protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September
2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry
made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves
would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war
ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol."

When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says
the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his
Senate office.

Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that
Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public,
Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his
presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago.

And just what were your war exploits? Anything? What he did in combat no one
denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result. And
where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry?.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 30 Jan 2004 22:40:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 1/30/04 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03

When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says
the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his
Senate office.

Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that
Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public,
Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his
presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago.

And just what were your war exploits? Anything? What he did in combat no one
denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result. And
where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry?.

Arthur Kramer

Well, Art, I think my military achievements qualify me to speak, and I
agree fully with General Patton's estimation of the honor and
integrity of Senator Kerry. The simple hypocrisy of the medal throwing
incident, using someone else's medals, followed by the prominent
display of the awards in his office for political expediency reduces
the man in my mind.

And, I might add that several hundred military aviators from the
period that I regularly correspond with in an email listserv, AF,
Navy, Marine and Army, are united in their disdain for the Senator.
The former POWs in the group in particular are bothered by the acts of
Senator Kerry.

As for the possession of the awards in the first place, we might wish
to recall that LBJ had a Silver Star as well, although his was won for
being a passenger on a mission in the combat zone, not necessarily a
combat mission. And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been
reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty
days--it's a puzzlement.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been
reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty
days--it's a puzzlement.

I don't believe a word of it. Do you? And are you saying that every silver star
ever awarded is now null and void? Or only those awarded to members of opposite
political parties?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 30 Jan 2004 23:13:58 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been
reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty
days--it's a puzzlement.

I don't believe a word of it. Do you? And are you saying that every silver star
ever awarded is now null and void? Or only those awarded to members of opposite
political parties?

Unfortunately I do believe a word of it. The sources that I read
seemed pretty well documented.

And, I don't say that every Silver Star awarded is null and void. I
will, however, say that I know of a lot of decorations that were not
earned. The issue with Kerry, as Patton and others have noted, is that
he was overly eager to shed his uniform, join the anti-war movement
while hundreds of thousands of his brothers-in-arms were still in
battle, undermining their support very publicly, allying himself with
the likes of jane fonda, discarding his medals (oops, someone else's
medals) and now, when it suits his somewhat flexible politics,
recloaking himself in the mantle of a hero.

FWIW, mine haven't been thrown over any fences and they aren't on any
public office walls. They are in a drawer, but still valued. Probably
like yours. And, I've kept faith with my comrades.

Further, I really don't like Senator Kerry's comments regarding the
President and his qualifications to welcome home the troops he
commands by flying aboard a carrier. George W. Bush was both a
commissioned officer (like Kerry) and a fully qualified AF fighter
pilot (unlike Kerry.) No president we've ever had is more qualified to
don the Nomex and carry a helmet.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been
reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty
days--it's a puzzlement.

I don't believe a word of it.

Little surprise there.

Do you?

He wrote it, didn't he?

And are you saying that every silver star ever awarded is now null and
void?

No, he is merely pointing out the obvious fact that not *every* Silver Star
was evidence of heroism, and his example of LBJ is an appropriate one in
this case. The curious nature of those Purple Hearts received with
reportedly no absence from duty does make his awards situation questionable.

Or only those awarded to members of opposite political parties?

I suspect Ed would be equally disgusted if a Republican had behaved in the
manner in which Kerry has in regards to his self-serving maneuvers (i.e.,
tossing what he now claims were someone else's medals over the fence in a
well publisized protest event, then displaying his medals and braying about
his military expertise).

Before you accuse Ed of subverting his notions of integrity based upon his
alleged political affiliation, you might care to glance in a mirror and ask
yourself that same question. And BTW, what happened to your recent one-man
campaign against off-topic/political posting? Rather short "battle" you
fought there, eh?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

From: Ed Rasimus

On 30 Jan 2004 22:40:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 1/30/04 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03

When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says
the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his
Senate office.

Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that
Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public,
Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his
presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago.

And just what were your war exploits? Anything? What he did in combat no
one
denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result.
And
where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry?.

Arthur Kramer

Well, Art, I think my military achievements qualify me to speak, and I
agree fully with General Patton's estimation of the honor and
integrity of Senator Kerry. The simple hypocrisy of the medal throwing
incident, using someone else's medals, followed by the prominent
display of the awards in his office for political expediency reduces
the man in my mind.

And, I might add that several hundred military aviators from the
period that I regularly correspond with in an email listserv, AF,
Navy, Marine and Army, are united in their disdain for the Senator.
The former POWs in the group in particular are bothered by the acts of
Senator Kerry.

As for the possession of the awards in the first place, we might wish
to recall that LBJ had a Silver Star as well, although his was won for
being a passenger on a mission in the combat zone, not necessarily a
combat mission. And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been
reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty
days--it's a puzzlement.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

I agree Kerry stabbed us in the back.

As for missed duty for purple hearts I lost no duty for my first purple heart.
Then again I didn't think anyone put me in for one. First and second degree
burns don't always result in being taken out of action. I just spent the next
two days being reminded by the pain just how stupid I was.

Johnson didn't earn that silver star in my opinion.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Didn't Patton die in 1945??

Making all of this a little suspect.


"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03...
In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly
given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many
protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September
2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry
made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves
would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war
ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol."

When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says
the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his
Senate office.

Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that
Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public,
Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his
presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago.

Come to think of it, if he continues to posture as a war hero, he'll lose
the friendship of Ramsey Clark, Angela Davis, and the Daily World.

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03...
In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had ...

Could we please stick to military aviation and can the OT political
crap?

"ArtKramr" wrote

And just what were your war exploits? Anything?

I never had to fix bayonets, and the only close call on my demise
was a Patriot missile misfire, and a Scud. I served 21 years faithfully, as
an aircrewmember in every war from 78 to 93. While I never dropped
ordinance, my crew did assist in four Mig kills, and two SAR saves.

When I retired I did not show up at anti-government rallies and throw
my medals at the steps of Congress.

What he did in combat no one denies. And he is a hero and a fine
soldier and leader of men as a result.

So you don't think giving aid and comfort to the enemy is a bad thing?
If Lt Kerry is a good American, then Jane Fonda is also a fine American.

And where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against
Lt. Kerry?

This seems important to you, but it's merely a rephrasing of the first
question above. I never went to anti-government rallies and throw my
medals at Congress, and then turn around and declare myself a war
hero. Does that count?