Covid Vaccine And Glider Events ?

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:50:51 AM UTC+10, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J

What we know today is that the vaccine will dramatically reduce the chances of you getting seriously sick if you are exposed to the virus. We do not yet know if or how much the vaccine will stop you getting the virus and passing it on, even though you don't get sick. This will become clear with more data. Hopefully the answer will turn out to be yes it stops transmission as well as the disease, but even if it doesn't it will stop people dying and is a great step forward.

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J
Only if you don't get it too, right ?

I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.

Now if this damned snow would just go away...

--
Dan
5J

The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.

Tom

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J
Only if you don't get it too, right ?

I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.

Now if this damned snow would just go away...

--
Dan
5J
The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.

Tom

Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/l...-efficacy.html
Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.

Tom

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:02:11 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission..
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J
Only if you don't get it too, right ?

I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.

Now if this damned snow would just go away...

--
Dan
5J
The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.

Tom
Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/l...-efficacy.html
Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.

Tom
Well explained Tom, now wait 3 years and turn on the TV and see some lawyer telling you that you are entitled to compensation if you took the COVID vaccine. You can call Morgan and Morgan for a free consultation, or hope in your glider and head west. So, the placebo is as effective as the vaccine? Glad I am towing gliders and staying 200 feet away from the potential virus.. Bob

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:02:11 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J
Only if you don't get it too, right ?

I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.

Now if this damned snow would just go away...

--
Dan
5J
The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.

Tom
Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/l...-efficacy.html
Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.

Tom
Well explained Tom, now wait 3 years and turn on the TV and see some lawyer telling you that you are entitled to compensation if you took the COVID vaccine. You can call Morgan and Morgan for a free consultation, or hope in your glider and head west. So, the placebo is as effective as the vaccine? Glad I am towing gliders and staying 200 feet away from the potential virus. Bob

And I just read this in the Wall Street Journal:

Moderna’s analysis, posted by the FDA, also included new data suggesting that the first dose of its vaccine can reduce infections that don’t cause symptoms. If this finding holds up in further analysis—including after the second of the two-dose regimen—it could mean that the vaccine not only protects individuals from disease, but also curbs transmission of the virus from person to person.
A vaccine that prevents asymptomatic infections and curbs viral transmission could hasten the end of the coronavirus pandemic, if enough people get vaccinated.

Also, if you want all of the gory details, read this:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

Tom