A question about the Transall C160

Skysurfer wrote:

It's true that USA is the friend of good democracies such as Pakistan,
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait where the terrorists don't come from ...

No, but it is true that we've allied with a lot of bad people so we can
stop *worse* people from getting what they want.

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Skysurfer wrote:

Who is naive to believe that Irak was behind spetember the 11th ?

Who is corrupt enough to look the other way on Iraq so TotalFinaElf can
make a lot of money?

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says...

The US doesn't completely occupy either Iraq or Afghanistan anymore than
the French police completely occupy The Zone around Paris or can prevent
bombing of synagogues, rape of un-Muslim women, or desecration of
cemeteries. But at least the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are glad
we've freed them.

You believe every piece of spin that comes out of the white house? LOL

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says...
In article ,
Skysurfer wrote:

Who is naive to believe that Irak was behind spetember the 11th ?

Who is corrupt enough to look the other way on Iraq so TotalFinaElf can
make a lot of money?

No, just easier for the Poms and Yanks to invade and steal that for
themselves

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says...

"...amended that code, subsequently, in three important respects; to
provide that for the first time in Iraq's history, a defendant has a
right to a lawyer from the beginning of the judicial process.
Secondly, that a defendant has the right to be silent without that
incriminating him or her. And thirdly, that torture is no longer
allowed in the Iraqi criminal system."

They let the Iraqis have rights that are denied to Afghanis held at
Gitmo?

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in
just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had
withdrawn
France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France
needed to
be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been
possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been
unable
to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign
(to
them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They
remained out
of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s,
although I
am not sure of that date or time period.

George Z.

As I remember they pulled out at least partly due to the Cuban missile
crisis. It became apparent to them, and everyone else, that Europe could not
depend on the US not to sell them out in a crisis. As happened. The US were
willing to do a secret deal with the Soviets to pull out the missiles from
Turkey in exchange for the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba. The
US would not be willing to commit to full scale war for Europe. The French
felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the
Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness
to sacrifice NATO security for their own.

Not that I blame the US. The whole massive retaliation thing wasn't a really
practical proposition. In may sound good in theory, but when things come to
a crunch, the US really couldn't be expected to make the supreme sacrifice
for Europe. The Europeans knew this and were always wary of US efforts to
distance themselves, or to restrict nuclear war just to Europe. I guess if
the French nuked Moscow, the Soviets wouldn't have worried who they nuked in
retaliation. Share the pain.

As for the Transall, my 1968 Observors says crew of 4, 81 troops or 62
casualty stretchers and 4 medical attendants. Other (vehicle) loads not
exceeding 35,270 lb. weight.Military Transports and Training Aircraft of the
World add cross section of the cabin is 9ft, 7in by 10 ft 2 1/2 in for a
length of 42 ft.

I put a wee bit off info under the first thread, after a brief diversion to
Cuba.

Actually, after the above, crap, I don't think the Americans deserve allies.
Bring our troops back and **** 'em. We're not going to get any thanks if our
troops are in Iraq or Afghanistan so let the American troops die.

Opps, now I'm starting to rant! But those ignorant fools really **** me off.

Brian wrote in message
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Not intelligently, no.

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"C Knowles" wrote in message
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"Brian" wrote in message
news:Bz6db.436620$Oz4.244338@rwcrnsc54...
Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and
number
carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport?

Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance

Brian

"shonen" wrote in message
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As I remember they pulled out at least partly due to the Cuban missile
crisis. It became apparent to them, and everyone else, that Europe could
not
depend on the US not to sell them out in a crisis. As happened. The US
were
willing to do a secret deal with the Soviets to pull out the missiles from
Turkey in exchange for the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba. The
US would not be willing to commit to full scale war for Europe. The French
felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the
Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness
to sacrifice NATO security for their own.


Incorrect

The Cuban missile crisis happened in 1962
France withdrew its forces from the Nato command structure
in 1966 giving as a reason the dominance of US commanders in the
organisation.

There was nothing in the NATO charter to prevent France
developing its own strategic deterrent , this is in fact what the
UK did.

Keith

"ArVa" wrote:

"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de
.. .


So who said we want france as an ally?

Well, almost all your top government officials, including your president...
Or were they all lying while crossing their fingers in their back? That
would probably be a premiere... :-)

partially because of comments like the one above.

I don't think he was refering to France only. Don't you want allies and
friends at all? Geez, I really wonder what disturbs you so much in Clark's
statement...

ArVa

I'll tell you Arva. The Jews want to do something despicable and
completely unacceptable in the ME. They can swing their slaves, the
Zomboid Amerikong into docile acquiescense, only if the global protest
doesn't much matter. Only nukes matter.

Hence the beastlike xenophobia.

Grantland

(Grantland) wrote:

"ArVa" wrote:

"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de
. ..


So who said we want france as an ally?

Well, almost all your top government officials, including your president...
Or were they all lying while crossing their fingers in their back? That
would probably be a premiere... :-)

partially because of comments like the one above.

I don't think he was refering to France only. Don't you want allies and
friends at all? Geez, I really wonder what disturbs you so much in Clark's
statement...

ArVa

I'll tell you Arva. The Jews want to do something despicable and
completely unacceptable in the ME. They can swing their slaves, the
Zomboid Amerikong into docile acquiescense, only if the global protest
doesn't much matter. Only nukes matter.

Hence the beastlike xenophobia.

Grantland
And ArVa, as a Frenchman you should know further: They plan to
instigate jihad in your Union, your name so blackened that the US
provides no help... they are traitors to the world.

Grantland