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  #11  
Old February 23rd 14, 10:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Nadler
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On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:41:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I asked them nicely to review the facts and only report the facts.
I also pointed out their 4 month error on the flight plan.
So far, they have not changed anything.


You are dealing with the media.
To get their attention requires a baseball bat...
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Old February 23rd 14, 11:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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It appears that the TV reporters eyewitness may have actually only been an earwitness. Additional investigation reports that he heard the crash then looked over and saw it. I thought I heard him say that the first time the TV station played the interview. I never heard it after that. They must have edited it. Of course, they were still playing the original report last I saw.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:47:14 PM UTC-5, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:41:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I asked them nicely to review the facts and only report the facts.


I also pointed out their 4 month error on the flight plan.


So far, they have not changed anything.




You are dealing with the media.

To get their attention requires a baseball bat...


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Old February 24th 14, 01:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Sean F (F2)
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Do we have someone at the SSA who is designated to deal with media & accidents? Perhaps we should?
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Old February 24th 14, 01:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Sean F (F2)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-glider.html

This story, with the BOLD headline, "3 killed in Georgia plane crash as aircraft 'tried to avoid hitting a glider" is now being distributed worldwide via outlets as large as DailyMail UK.

This is out of control if the facts are as incredibly different as they are reporting. This is very damaging to the sport of soaring for sure.
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Old February 24th 14, 01:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I can't answer. I did contact the State Governor and Regional Director. Filled them in with know details and told them they could have anyone at SSA contact me, that they felt needed briefing.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:16:56 PM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
Do we have someone at the SSA who is designated to deal with media & accidents? Perhaps we should?


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Old February 24th 14, 04:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_5_]
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:30:33 -0800, Sean F (F2) wrote:

This is out of control if the facts are as incredibly different as they
are reporting. This is very damaging to the sport of soaring for sure.


I can't help wondering if it is common practise in the USA for an airport
with intersecting runways to have both active at the same time?


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Old February 24th 14, 09:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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In article "Sean F (F2)" writes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-glider.html

This story, with the BOLD headline, "3 killed in Georgia plane crash as
aircraft 'tried to avoid hitting a glider" is now being distributed
worldwide via outlets as large as DailyMail UK.

This is out of control if the facts are as incredibly different as they
are reporting. This is very damaging to the sport of soaring for sure.


Why? What did the glider operation do wrong?

One thing you may learn, as you go through life, is that in almost any
event where you know the actual story, you will see that the story published
in the media is wrong, frequently in extreme ways.

Another thing is that witnesses are generally of no credibility.

In this case, we recognize that there is no practice called "shoot
instrument approach". It gives us a clue that the writer didn't know
much about aviation.

One might get a correction published, but wouldn't you rather rely on
the very short memory of the collective population?

Alan
  #18  
Old February 24th 14, 10:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Don Johnstone[_4_]
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At 08:56 24 February 2014, Alan wrote:
In article "Sean F (F2)" writes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-glider.html

This story, with the BOLD headline, "3 killed in Georgia plane crash as
aircraft 'tried to avoid hitting a glider" is now being distributed
worldwide via outlets as large as DailyMail UK.

This is out of control if the facts are as incredibly different as they
are reporting. This is very damaging to the sport of soaring for sure.


Why? What did the glider operation do wrong?

One thing you may learn, as you go through life, is that in almost any
event where you know the actual story, you will see that the story
published
in the media is wrong, frequently in extreme ways.

Another thing is that witnesses are generally of no credibility.

In this case, we recognize that there is no practice called "shoot
instrument approach". It gives us a clue that the writer didn't know
much about aviation.

One might get a correction published, but wouldn't you rather rely on
the very short memory of the collective population?

Alan


Politicians oft refer to the 24 hour news cycle. You generally only
increase an item of news beyond 24 hours if you have something interesting
to add, often far wiser to let the story die of starvation

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Old February 24th 14, 07:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Good report - thank you!


wrote in message
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OK guys. I guess it's time to post some of what we really know. I'm the
president of Southern eagles Soaring Club at LaGrange. We were not operating
Saturday and I was not at the field. The Civil Air Patrol had been operating
their L23 towed by their 172, for several hours from runway 3.

The Baron had been doing ILS low approaches to runway 31. They landed and
refueled. There were various reports of what the Baron was doing before it
crashed, including a missed approach from a practice ILS, a take off, and a
go around. With all these reports, you can judge for your self the accuracy.
Everyone agreed that they did not hear any radio calls from the Baron.

The 172 and L23 were stopped on runway 3, south of runway 31. They never
crossed the runway. The crews were very experienced, with 2 CFIG's in the
L23 and a retired Air Force pilot and now Delta Captain flying the 172. One
of the CFIGs is also a club member.

The crews saw the Baron at low altitude along runway 31. It pulled up very
nose high, rolled to the left from 100-200 feet, and crashed in an
approximate 60 degree nose down attitude. The front seat pilots were killed
on impact. The passenger in the back later died at the hospital.

We do not now, nor will we ever know what made the PIC take the action that
he did. They could have been flying simulated instruments, practicing single
engine, had an engine failure, or any of a number of things.

Since the names have been release, we do know that the two co-owners were in
the aircraft along with another pilot. Records show one of the co-owners was
multi-engine rated. No records on the other co-owner. The third person did
hold an ATP and instructors rating. We do not know the seating arrangement
or who was at the controls.

All the noise about a glider being involved was from one person that was
interviewed by two TV stations. He said the Baron was trying to avoid a
glider. It unclear as to his actually seeing the crash. The only glider
operating that day was sitting on runway 3 behind the tow plane.

Also to show the accuracy of the reporting, one of the stations reported the
Baron had flown from Panama City, FL to LaGrange that morning. They used a
screen shot from flightAware.com to confirm it. When we checked flightaware,
it did indeed show a flight from Panama City as being the last flight they
had recorded. Of course, That flight took place in October, 2013!

If any FACTS become available, I'll let you know. However, conjecture will
not accomplish anything and could hurt our sport.

Charlie

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Old February 24th 14, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Lagrange-Calloway airport in Georga is an uncontrolled airport, meaning no
control tower. At those, there is no active runway but more a preferred
runway which is used by consensus based upon wind or other conditions.
There is nothing to preclude a pilot from using a runway different from what
everyone else is using.

At Moriarty, NM, we routinely launch gliders on Rwy 26 for convenience even
with a 15 kt cross wind or with a slight tail wind due to more runway
available to the west than to the east. Regular power traffic will use Rwy
18-36 when we have a high crosswind, but, having no towout gear for our
Grobs, we use 8-26 until the wind gets too high and then we shut down. I've
towed visiting gliders on Rwy 18 and then landed on 26 to tow local gliders.
When crossing runways are in use, we use common courtesy and right of way
rules to avoid collisions.

"Shooting an approach" is a common slang term for executing an instrument
approach.

"Don Johnstone" wrote in message
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At 08:56 24 February 2014, Alan wrote:
In article "Sean F (F2)" writes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-glider.html

This story, with the BOLD headline, "3 killed in Georgia plane crash as
aircraft 'tried to avoid hitting a glider" is now being distributed
worldwide via outlets as large as DailyMail UK.

This is out of control if the facts are as incredibly different as they
are reporting. This is very damaging to the sport of soaring for sure.


Why? What did the glider operation do wrong?

One thing you may learn, as you go through life, is that in almost any
event where you know the actual story, you will see that the story
published
in the media is wrong, frequently in extreme ways.

Another thing is that witnesses are generally of no credibility.

In this case, we recognize that there is no practice called "shoot
instrument approach". It gives us a clue that the writer didn't know
much about aviation.

One might get a correction published, but wouldn't you rather rely on
the very short memory of the collective population?

Alan


Politicians oft refer to the 24 hour news cycle. You generally only
increase an item of news beyond 24 hours if you have something interesting
to add, often far wiser to let the story die of starvation


 




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